Why he wants to kill a Black Rhino?

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Nobody batted an eyelid in 2012 when Namibia instituted a policy of permitting five black rhino hunts per year, in the hope of deriving some revenue from animals that are, for conservation reasons, surplus to requirements. However, when it was reported that an unidentified Texan hunter bid $350,000 for one of the permits, the hysteria immediately flared up.

Ben Carter, director of the Dallas Safari Club which hosted the permit auction, told the AFP wire service that his staff and their family members had received “more than a dozen ... death threats” and reported the matter to the police. The person who bought the hunt has also received numerous death threats, as have his wife and children.

THis has far more to do with the polictics of envy than any genuine conservation intent on the part of the animal rights freiks. Once again, a perfect demonstration that hunters pay for conservation....

This is a good read 350,000 reasons to kill a black rhino
 
Hayduke said:
^^ Define 'surplus to requirements' please, genuine question.
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no longer productive and maybe even aggressive... Could be they have a certain/limited amount of range and the herd is overpopulated.. Understand they are endangered, but if it's no longer contributing to the progress of the herd and is even being counter productive, it's gonna be culled... Why not let some clown pay a bunch of bucks and call it a hunt?
 
Hayduke said:
^^ Define 'surplus to requirements' please, genuine question.
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Same as in sheep farming. When the Tup services the ewes and they don't get pregnant you get rid of the Tup.
In the case of Rhino, big deer etc. the dominant male will still stop other males from accessing the females even though he can't sire. Remove the old boy. Either shoot him or incarcerate him on his own for the remainder of his life.

Stan
 
I could spend $350,000 on a lot of things, it wouldn't be shooting a black, blue or even a pink rhino.
but that's a lot of dollar that will go to a good cause, towards the protection of an endangered animal, thumbs up from me:thumb:

craggy
 
Hayduke said:
^^ Define 'surplus to requirements' please, genuine question.
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If the bull is past his prime and not serving the cows, it is pretty much standard practice in all livestock management to remove the bull as they generally will impede younger males or if the herd is closed/small ranging he may end up serving his own which can lead to other issues. If they are trying to increase the health and size of the herd then you can either cull the bull or remove him and let his teeth grind down or die of something else old age related.
Few folk seem to bat an eyelid when guys come up here to stalk an old Stag who has passed on his genes and I certainly don't have an issue with someone paying a huge some of money to hunt a knackered old Rhino. I wouldn't hunt one but I won't stop anyone else, and that's a lot more money than tourist's would bring in to seen one old Rhino IMHO.
 
Sound reasons ^^^ (even from daven !) CNN and the Daily Maverick are not giving 'surplus to requirements' space or qualified reasoning. It is a deliberately emotive and inaccurate phrase - how can you have 'surplus' if there are less than 5,000 left and their range has halved.

Ivo Vegter's principal of "giving local communities and farmers an economic stake in the conservation of species" is spot on. But I am on the fence on managed killing of rhinos. The restoration of the species is paramount. If killing a couple infertile/veteran males can genuinely drive restoration then great. Hunting and/or habitat loss has driven all extinctions over the last couple of centuries, so it is a leap of logic and trust to say that hunting can save species. If it is done wrong then it's a home goal. How are you going to stamp out demand from weirdo Chinese and stamp out poaching ?

Vegter's logic has some similarities with the arguments that those in favour of legalising drugs use - it's gonna happen so you might as well do it, manage it, profit from it and reinvest the proceeds.
 
Hayduke said:
Sound reasons ^^^ (even from daven !) CNN and the Daily Maverick are not giving 'surplus to requirements' space or qualified reasoning. It is a deliberately emotive and inaccurate phrase - how can you have 'surplus' if there are less than 5,000 left and their range has halved.

Ivo Vegter's principal of "giving local communities and farmers an economic stake in the conservation of species" is spot on. But I am on the fence on managed killing of rhinos. The restoration of the species is paramount. If killing a couple infertile/veteran males can genuinely drive restoration then great. Hunting and/or habitat loss has driven all extinctions over the last couple of centuries, so it is a leap of logic and trust to say that hunting can save species. If it is done wrong then it's a home goal. How are you going to stamp out demand from weirdo Chinese and stamp out poaching ?

Vegter's logic has some similarities with the arguments that those in favour of legalising drugs use - it's gonna happen so you might as well do it, manage it, profit from it and reinvest the proceeds.
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You mean like tobacco and alcohol?
 
I think proper regulated hunting is probably the best chance to save many endangered animals. That would be crazy money in african terms and could do a massive ammount of good if all goes the the right places.

If u can sell rare 'trophy' type animals just past their best to someone with more money and sense it will bring a massive ammount of money into local communites so hopefully some of the locals won't have to poach to put food on the table. Effectively pricing the poachers out of the game
It may even mean the local tribes could try to let the natural habitat recover and instead off trying to farm a marginal area for non native animal like cows/crops they could actually rely on managing the rhino/gorrilla etc populations purely for sporting purposes (ie similar to grouse keepers or stalkers managing large areas of land for purely wild animals), higher populations= more trophy/cull animals= more money for local people, so they could afford to buy in food and the health of local animal popuations is strongly liked to the wealth and well being of the local villages

Sadly i don't think many africain rare species are going to do well in the near future, with some of the political unrest but mainly because of the money and infuence the chinease/asia's have in africa now.
Seen a documentry last year reckoned poaching has went throu the roof the past 4-5 year and becuase so many asians working there now more people than ever to smuggle stuff back, think it said something like 400 rhino had been paoched in last few years, if even 50 of those had been culled for money would raise a massive ammount of cash, possible even enough to satelite track a high % of rhino which would certainly help stop poaching

It's a shame they can't accidentally flood the market with artifical contaminated ivory 'dust or powder' (or wotever they do with it) that actually turned out to be a slow acting pioson or chemical carstration, be too good for the b*****ds that still use it, as they're the folk driving the trade and so the slaughter.
 
It's like that rhino is taking one for team. If he would be out of his prime and getting in the way of good mating rhinos then the 350,000 could go to protecting his previous offspring from poachers. As long as it will benefit the rest I'm all for it.
 
CIC Praises Initiative for the Conservation of Rhinos | CIC

CIC » BIG GAME, IUCN, LATEST NEWS » CIC PRESIDENT LOZÉ PRAISES THE INITIATIVE OF THE NAMIBIAN GOVERNMENT AND THE DALLAS SAFARI CLUB FOR THE CONSERVATION OF RHINOS22 JANUARY 2014
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CIC President Bernard Lozé congratulated the Dallas Safari Club (DSC) for gathering a total of one million USD for the conservation of wildlife and hunting worldwide at its 2014 Convention. In particular, the CIC President praised the auctioning of a hunting license for an old black rhino bull in Namibia, from which 350,000 USD was raised for the conservation of this wild species in Namibia:“This was a great day for the rhinos. I am particularly pleased that it is two CIC members who are working together for conservation: the Government of Namibia on the one side and the Dallas Safari Club on the other.”

It was at its convention in Dallas that the DSC auctioned for the first time outside Namibia a license for the taking of a black rhino. The successful bidder paid 350,000 USD, 100% of which goes towards the conservation of the pachyderms. Namibia has been successfully protecting its 1,800 black rhinos in the wild. Annually, the population is growing by 5%. CITES has therefore allowed the country to give out hunting licenses for several old bulls each year. These bulls, from a wildlife biology point of view, can be removed. This will even increase successful breeding.

The CIC strongly condemns the emotional campaign against this auction by anti-hunting groups, which resulted even in death threats and other criminal offenses. Unfortunately several offers of up to one million USD for rhino protection were withdrawn because of this campaign. The experts of two IUCN specialist groups had advocated the hunt and supported the auction with sound scientific arguments (see links below).

“30 million hunters stand on the side of those seriously and professionally fighting against poaching worldwide,” said Bernard Lozé. The CIC will host a Global Summit on Combating Wildlife Crime, in the framework of its’ General Assembly next April. This aims to unite all hunters in the current fight against wildlife crime and trafficking.

IUCN SSC African Rhino Specialist Group (AfRSG)
IUCN CEESP/SSC Sustainable Use and Livelihoods Specialist Group (SULi)
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"Unfortunately several offers of up to one million USD for rhino protection were withdrawn because of [the] emotional campaign against this auction by anti-hunting groups."

So they could have almost tripled the conservation value of the auction of it hadn't been for the knee-jerk bunny-huggers...making death threats! :doh:
 
Mr. Gain said:
"Unfortunately several offers of up to one million USD for rhino protection were withdrawn because of [the] emotional campaign against this auction by anti-hunting groups."

So they could have almost tripled the conservation value of the auction of it hadn't been for the knee-jerk bunny-huggers...making death threats! :doh:
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Not only that but the upper estimation of $1m would mean the Namibian rhino herds are worth $1.7bn. Quite apart from the conservation motives from an economic perspective surely that encourages the protection of a valuable natural resource? I certainly think that if each rhino was eventually going to be worth $1m when it became necessary to fill it then that would justify significant investment in the protection of each animal from illegal poaching.
 
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