Brains!

Well I gave it a go today on a muntjac doe I shot this morning, followed RDG's advice and it wasn't as much of a challenge as I thought and only took a few minutes really.

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and all packaged up..

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I have eaten most part of the deer but never brain or indeed heart.
How would one go about cooking a roe heart?

Brain, forget it, not for me !!!
 
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just put in roasting tin cook like a joint of beef/chicken/lamb /pork.then slice like roast beef simples:thumb: sorry i ment the heart not the brain sorry if there was an confusion , the only thing i would do with a brain is leave it alone just like Mine still unused.:rofl:
 
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Sorry to inject a note of caution, but personally I would never ever eat any animal's brain.

The remote possibility of contracting a transmissible spongiform encalopathy is not a risk that I see any reason to take.

Cattle brain and spinal cord are still banned in the UK and Europe, as a continuing precaution following the BSE crisis.

Scrapie is established in our sheep, and (unlike BSE) proving impossible to eradicate because of its persistence in the soil, and strong infectivity.

Indeed one theory about BSE (and the human version, vCJD) is that it may have developed from scrapie.

Countries such as New Zealand take strong biosecurity measures to preserve their scrapie-free (and CWD free) status.

Whilst there is no suggestion that chronic wasting disease has yet been transmitted to European or UK deer, it is endemic in large parts of USA and Canada, and appears to be a very nasty TSE, which could certainly infect our red deer, and possibly other species. Dirty boots or clothing could be enough to transfer the prion. As with scrapie, the infective agent persists in soil etc. and once established would be impossible to eradicate. Whether or not it would pose a risk to humans, I don't know.

Human infection with TSEs by eating brains is an avoidable risk. Whether they be human brains (Kuru), Cattle (vCJD) or even those of Kentucky squirrels.

I am also unsure whether it is legal to sell such offal without specialist inspection. ISTR that most AGHEs can't take it, because they don't have the necessary license.
 
Sorry to inject a note of caution, but personally I would never ever eat any animal's brain.

The remote possibility of contracting a transmissible spongiform encalopathy is not a risk that I see any reason to take.

Cattle brain and spinal cord are still banned in the UK and Europe, as a continuing precaution following the BSE crisis.

Scrapie is established in our sheep, and (unlike BSE) proving impossible to eradicate because of its persistence in the soil, and strong infectivity.

Indeed one theory about BSE (and the human version, vCJD) is that it may have developed from scrapie.

Countries such as New Zealand take strong biosecurity measures to preserve their scrapie-free (and CWD free) status.

Whilst there is no suggestion that chronic wasting disease has yet been transmitted to European or UK deer, it is endemic in large parts of USA and Canada, and appears to be a very nasty TSE, which could certainly infect our red deer, and possibly other species. Dirty boots or clothing could be enough to transfer the prion. As with scrapie, the infective agent persists in soil etc. and once established would be impossible to eradicate. Whether or not it would pose a risk to humans, I don't know.

Human infection with TSEs by eating brains is an avoidable risk. Whether they be human brains (Kuru), Cattle (vCJD) or even those of Kentucky squirrels.

I am also unsure whether it is legal to sell such offal without specialist inspection. ISTR that most AGHEs can't take it, because they don't have the necessary license.

Interesting heads-up. I wouldn't eat it myself either but obviously I am interested in if I am allowed to supply it or not.
 
obviously I am interested in if I am allowed to supply it or not.

Sorry, I don't know chapter and verse here. A couple of years ago I helped with a park cull, and left with the livers, hearts and kidneys from eight fallow that I had gralloched. I got a bit fed up with liver that year. I was told that the offal could not be taken by the "game dealers" because they didn't have the necessary approval. I think the same applies even when selling direct to your local butcher, few of them are set up to accept offal.

It may also depend on whether you are selling direct to the chef/restaurant, using one or more of the exemptions. The Wild Game Guide might have something to say.

Regarding my concerns about scrapie and/or BSE in sheep, I've now discovered that this is also being taken seriously. Similar controls as apply to cattle are in force. And goats too.

e.g. even when discussing slaughter of sheep for private consumption:

"Specified risk material (SRM)The owner must stain, store, dispose of, etc the specified risk material (SRM) in accordance with the Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathies (England) Regulations 2010.
Definitions of SRM will depend on the age of the animal being slaughtered:


  • [*=left]for sheep/lambs less than 12 months of age or no permanent incisor erupted, the SRM is defined as the spleen
    [*=left]for sheep over 12 months of age or having a permanent incisor erupted, the SRM is defined as the skull (including the brain and eyes), the tonsils, spleen, and the spinal cord"
So it seems young lambs' brains are still allowed on the menu.
 
Sorry, I don't know chapter and verse here. A couple of years ago I helped with a park cull, and left with the livers, hearts and kidneys from eight fallow that I had gralloched. I got a bit fed up with liver that year. I was told that the offal could not be taken by the "game dealers" because they didn't have the necessary approval. I think the same applies even when selling direct to your local butcher, few of them are set up to accept offal.

It may also depend on whether you are selling direct to the chef/restaurant, using one or more of the exemptions. The Wild Game Guide might have something to say.

Regarding my concerns about scrapie and/or BSE in sheep, I've now discovered that this is also being taken seriously. Similar controls as apply to cattle are in force. And goats too.

e.g. even when discussing slaughter of sheep for private consumption:

"Specified risk material (SRM)The owner must stain, store, dispose of, etc the specified risk material (SRM) in accordance with the Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathies (England) Regulations 2010.
Definitions of SRM will depend on the age of the animal being slaughtered:


  • [*=left]for sheep/lambs less than 12 months of age or no permanent incisor erupted, the SRM is defined as the spleen
    [*=left]for sheep over 12 months of age or having a permanent incisor erupted, the SRM is defined as the skull (including the brain and eyes), the tonsils, spleen, and the spinal cord"
So it seems young lambs' brains are still allowed on the menu.

An ancient disease in sheep and yet: see P 4. of www.cfsph.iastate.edu/Factsheets/pdfs/scrapie.pdf

"Public health There is no evidence that scrapie can be transmitted to humans"

ps. There remain NO recorded instances of Chronic Wasting Disease in Deer in the UK
 
I have been looking and can't find any restrictions about supplying deer brains in this country, just cattle sheep and goats :???:

was that something you had heard sharpie or did you just assume because of the bse regs?
 
An ancient disease in sheep and yet: see P 4. of www.cfsph.iastate.edu/Factsheets/pdfs/scrapie.pdf

"Public health There is no evidence that scrapie can be transmitted to humans"

ps. There remain NO recorded instances of Chronic Wasting Disease in Deer in the UK

I think you are scraping the barrel, attempting to quote something published by Iowa State University. Couldn't you do better than that ? PS your link gives me "Page Not Found : Página No Encontrada"

The USA is in denial about BSE in particular, and TSEs in general. They have put in place measures to ensure that any bovine cases are never discovered, despite fallen stock being a widespread phenomenon in stockyards. Business speaks.

Also it seems you are unaware of the concern about atypical scrapie, first identified in Norway in the late 90s and now recognised to be widespread here. Its far too early to know whether it is a risk to humans, or not, so the precautionary principle is being applied.

If the link works, try TSE regulations - Better Regulation Executive (BRE)

"In addition another brain disease in sheep, atypical scrapie, has recently been identified. This disease is a TSE disease like “classical scrapie” and BSE but is distinct from both. Atypical scrapie is thought to be relatively widespread in the UK, in fact more widespread than classical scrapie. It is SEAC’s view that although atypical scrapie is not BSE, and there is no evidence that it can be transmitted to humans, a human health risk cannot be ruled out. SEAC have advised further research into whether atypical scrapie might be a risk to humans, and FSA is currently undertaking this. It is for these reasons that precautionary SRM controls remain in sheep.
More information about atypical scrapie can be found on our website at the following link: http://www.food.gov.uk/bse/what/atypicalscrapie"

Also see Scrapie Animal Health and Veterinary Laboratories Agency

"Atypical scrapie has been detected in recent years, primarily through the testing programme for fallen stock and abattoir culls. However, retrospective studies have indicated that it has been present in theUK since the late 1980s. The route of infection is poorly understood and the disease is most commonly seen in animals over five years old.The clinical signs of scrapie are similar to those of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) and there is a risk that sheep and goats were exposed to the BSE agent in contaminated feed. Experiments show that sheep are susceptible to BSE and natural BSE has been confirmed in a goat.
The public health concern about the possibility of BSE affecting sheep or goats has caused concern about the continued presence of scrapie in the EU. Active surveillance programs have been put in place to monitor for scrapie in fallen stock and at the abattoir.
In sheep, classical scrapie can be controlled by breeding programmes, as there are breed lines of sheep which carry genetic factors (alleles) which give resistance to the disease. In goats the genetics are less clear, but evidence is being gathered that certain alleles are protective in certain herds.
Unfortunately, atypical scrapie occurs in the genotypes of sheep which are normally considered more resistant to scrapie."

Also see TSEs Scrapie Research Sheep | Moredun United Kingdom UK


If you'd care to eat a brain burger made from a sheep with atypical scrapie, I'd be glad to cook it for you... :shock:

Regarding CWD, no there is no sign that it has crossed the pond. But we ought to be a damn sight more vigilant about the possibility and have much better biosecurity measures, along the lines of NZ.

Jelendeer were being sensationalist in their blog post of 14 January, but there was a valid point buried in there.

Meanwhile my personal policy is to eat no mammal brains.
 
I have been looking and can't find any restrictions about supplying deer brains in this country, just cattle sheep and goats :???:

was that something you had heard sharpie or did you just assume because of the bse regs?

No, my comment was about deer offal in general. For whatever reason I am under the impression that there are some sort of restrictions on putting deer offal into the food chain.

If you are allowed to do this with the hearts, kidneys, liver etc., then I don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to sell the brains too. I've often wondered if the lights would be useful as well, to make venison haggis (no lung shots) , and the blood for black pudding.

I know there are members here who operate AGHEs, perhaps one could set us straight on the rules ?
 
No, my comment was about deer offal in general. For whatever reason I am under the impression that there are some sort of restrictions on putting deer offal into the food chain.

If you are allowed to do this with the hearts, kidneys, liver etc., then I don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to sell the brains too. I've often wondered if the lights would be useful as well, to make venison haggis (no lung shots) , and the blood for black pudding.

I know there are members here who operate AGHEs, perhaps one could set us straight on the rules ?

fair enough but I am operating as a primary producer, AGHE run under different rules.
 
I think you are scraping the barrel, attempting to quote something published by Iowa State University. Couldn't you do better than that ? PS your link gives me "Page Not Found : Página No Encontrada"

The USA is in denial about BSE in particular, and TSEs in general. They have put in place measures to ensure that any bovine cases are never discovered, despite fallen stock being a widespread phenomenon in stockyards. Business speaks.

Also it seems you are unaware of the concern about atypical scrapie, first identified in Norway in the late 90s and now recognised to be widespread here. Its far too early to know whether it is a risk to humans, or not, so the precautionary principle is being applied.

If the link works, try TSE regulations - Better Regulation Executive (BRE)

"In addition another brain disease in sheep, atypical scrapie, has recently been identified. This disease is a TSE disease like “classical scrapie” and BSE but is distinct from both. Atypical scrapie is thought to be relatively widespread in the UK, in fact more widespread than classical scrapie. It is SEAC’s view that although atypical scrapie is not BSE, and there is no evidence that it can be transmitted to humans, a human health risk cannot be ruled out. SEAC have advised further research into whether atypical scrapie might be a risk to humans, and FSA is currently undertaking this. It is for these reasons that precautionary SRM controls remain in sheep.
More information about atypical scrapie can be found on our website at the following link: http://www.food.gov.uk/bse/what/atypicalscrapie"

Also see Scrapie Animal Health and Veterinary Laboratories Agency

"Atypical scrapie has been detected in recent years, primarily through the testing programme for fallen stock and abattoir culls. However, retrospective studies have indicated that it has been present in theUK since the late 1980s. The route of infection is poorly understood and the disease is most commonly seen in animals over five years old.The clinical signs of scrapie are similar to those of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) and there is a risk that sheep and goats were exposed to the BSE agent in contaminated feed. Experiments show that sheep are susceptible to BSE and natural BSE has been confirmed in a goat.
The public health concern about the possibility of BSE affecting sheep or goats has caused concern about the continued presence of scrapie in the EU. Active surveillance programs have been put in place to monitor for scrapie in fallen stock and at the abattoir.
In sheep, classical scrapie can be controlled by breeding programmes, as there are breed lines of sheep which carry genetic factors (alleles) which give resistance to the disease. In goats the genetics are less clear, but evidence is being gathered that certain alleles are protective in certain herds.
Unfortunately, atypical scrapie occurs in the genotypes of sheep which are normally considered more resistant to scrapie."

Also see TSEs Scrapie Research Sheep | Moredun United Kingdom UK


If you'd care to eat a brain burger made from a sheep with atypical scrapie, I'd be glad to cook it for you... :shock:

Regarding CWD, no there is no sign that it has crossed the pond. But we ought to be a damn sight more vigilant about the possibility and have much better biosecurity measures, along the lines of NZ.

Jelendeer were being sensationalist in their blog post of 14 January, but there was a valid point buried in there.

Meanwhile my personal policy is to eat no mammal brains.

Ok leaves more for the rest of us...

By the way, sorry about the Iowa thing... (That's Iowa I'm apologising to, not you)

How's about DEFRA's latest: http://www.defra.gov.uk/ahvla-en/disease-control/notifiable/scrapie/

Their opening sentence actually reads:

What is scrapie?

Scrapie is a fatal brain disease (TSE) of sheep and goats but is not known to pose a risk to human health.
 
fair enough but I am operating as a primary producer, AGHE run under different rules.

The Primary Producer exemption only allows you to sell primary product, in the fur.

Cutting it up and shrink wrapping is not part of this exemption.

I think you might be meaning the Hunter Exemption, which does allow you to process small quantities, for direct sale to local retailers, provided you are also registered as a food business, premises are inspected, you keep traceability records etc.
 
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