caorach
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Yip: send order to Cliff, wait 2 weeks, bullets arrive in post.
In which the Pine Marten asks a tonne of newbie questions on reloading.
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Yip: send order to Cliff, wait 2 weeks, bullets arrive in post.
Hornet 6
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8x57
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No longer true Gunner. The legislation was changed a few years back so a handloader can now dis-assemble his ammunition.
Pine Marten
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Thanks for the tip, 8x57.
On a related matter, thanks to whoever sent me the 7mm-08 crimping die last week, which I picked up from the Post Office yesterday. I now have two, one says K-2 on it, the other K-5. What's the difference? Anyway, with all the dies, it would be rude not to crimp, so I will.
On a related matter, thanks to whoever sent me the 7mm-08 crimping die last week, which I picked up from the Post Office yesterday. I now have two, one says K-2 on it, the other K-5. What's the difference? Anyway, with all the dies, it would be rude not to crimp, so I will.
bewsher500
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both look the same?
possible one is 7mm-08 and the other is a similar case but .308 or similar? would still work if 308 just need to be screwed in harder
Pine Marten
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They seem identical to me, and both say 7mm-08 on them. Perhaps the K5 is an upgraded, more recent version of the K2? I'm not sure. Perhaps the sended could tell me! Someone from Newnham according to the envelope.
OK I know I'm going to upset Muir but here goes:
Forget crimping at this stage or at least until you’ve determined what your once-fired brass and chosen FL resize die delivers by way of neck tension. My bet is it will be quite a firm fit given you are someway from getting into neck turning and use of neck bushing dies etc.
Cheers
K
Pine Marten
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K, congratulations on reaching 2000 posts. There should be a badge or something. And thanks for the ongoing stream of good advice. I'm now in touch with the chap who runs Freyr Munitions with regards to my little project (after all, part of the point of reloading is that you can design anything you like). Next stage is to go round to Foss' place for a tutorial.
paul o'
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A) 5 = Best place is Abridge armory for primers etc but only open thur, fry sat
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A)3= Don't make more than three per charge seating etc without that crimp you can re-use the bits and bobs but remember if you use different powders then you must be !100% on there is't any other type in the bullet puller. never mix powders .
A)1= i only full size new brass then after say 5 x reloads if i feel that the head space is getting tight. or bump them back.
A)4= I have never found a good load from the lee spoon list (dippers) the internet for the given powder is the best way to find data to start from or use.
hope this helps a bit play safe .
Paul.
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A)3= Don't make more than three per charge seating etc without that crimp you can re-use the bits and bobs but remember if you use different powders then you must be !100% on there is't any other type in the bullet puller. never mix powders .
A)1= i only full size new brass then after say 5 x reloads if i feel that the head space is getting tight. or bump them back.
A)4= I have never found a good load from the lee spoon list (dippers) the internet for the given powder is the best way to find data to start from or use.
hope this helps a bit play safe .
Paul.
Grandhubert
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My own take on the matter:
There may be no measurable advantage for shooting fireformed cases in you particular rifle, in my 30.06 there is no accuracy difference in any event. From my perspective, particualrly if you are reloading and using the same cases again and again it is not so much a matter of easy chambering, you can usually force that bolt closed, but a matter of easy unloading. Try it with a case that has been fired a few times and necksized and one that has been FL sized one day to see. On this note try and trim your cases regularly, both for safety and accuracy.
I neck size hunting ammo when I'm feeling lazy, FL when I have the time or for an overseas hunt where I want reliability at all costs.
Crimping, especially the lee crimp die can help make for a more consistent propellant burn which can make for better accuracy. It works with or without a crimping groove on the bullet. I find that too heavy a crimp reduces accuracy for whatever reason.
If you have a hard kicking rifle with an over long magazine box that lets the rounds take a run up then you may benefit from a solid crimp into a bullet that has a groove for it. For a 7mm-08 ordinary neck tension will be fine and although you can by all means experiment, I would forget it. I only crimp my 308 125gr SP fox loads becasue the bbullet is so short there isn't very much shank for the case neck to grip. It reduces my ES in velocity from around 100 fps to less than 30 in this special case.
Parsimony demands circumspection to be sure, but loading 5 of each charge weight increment or seating depth increment is good practice. There is a good argument for not discounting any shot in an ammuntion development group as a "flyer", but **** happens and five rounds gives you a better idea of what's going on than three. For frank cock-ups by a kinetic hammer, you can mail order these.
You can't modify loads accordingly, aside from as sugested sticking to the faster end of the powders reccomended for the calibre. This is not for maximum velocity, you will pretty much always get better velocity fromt he slower buring powders at these lengths, bt rather to reduce muzzle flash at last light. A unmoderated, short barreld smallbore loaded with a case full of slow powder will have a sensational muzzle flash and a very manly boom to boot.
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- Mr Lee says that you should always fully resize cases for hunting, thereby negating the fireforming advantage. Why?
There may be no measurable advantage for shooting fireformed cases in you particular rifle, in my 30.06 there is no accuracy difference in any event. From my perspective, particualrly if you are reloading and using the same cases again and again it is not so much a matter of easy chambering, you can usually force that bolt closed, but a matter of easy unloading. Try it with a case that has been fired a few times and necksized and one that has been FL sized one day to see. On this note try and trim your cases regularly, both for safety and accuracy.
I neck size hunting ammo when I'm feeling lazy, FL when I have the time or for an overseas hunt where I want reliability at all costs.
- Mr Lee says that you should always crimp hunting rounds as they tend to be knocked about a bit. But I’ve also been told that it’s useless. Perspectives on this please?
Crimping, especially the lee crimp die can help make for a more consistent propellant burn which can make for better accuracy. It works with or without a crimping groove on the bullet. I find that too heavy a crimp reduces accuracy for whatever reason.
If you have a hard kicking rifle with an over long magazine box that lets the rounds take a run up then you may benefit from a solid crimp into a bullet that has a groove for it. For a 7mm-08 ordinary neck tension will be fine and although you can by all means experiment, I would forget it. I only crimp my 308 125gr SP fox loads becasue the bbullet is so short there isn't very much shank for the case neck to grip. It reduces my ES in velocity from around 100 fps to less than 30 in this special case.
- If you reload a tonne of experimental rounds that don’t make the grade, can they be dismantled and the components reused, or do you just need to shoot them all?
Parsimony demands circumspection to be sure, but loading 5 of each charge weight increment or seating depth increment is good practice. There is a good argument for not discounting any shot in an ammuntion development group as a "flyer", but **** happens and five rounds gives you a better idea of what's going on than three. For frank cock-ups by a kinetic hammer, you can mail order these.
- The load tables specify that test rifles have barrel lengths in the 23” to 26” range. My rifle has a 20” barrel. What is the likely impact of this and how should I modify loads accordingly?
You can't modify loads accordingly, aside from as sugested sticking to the faster end of the powders reccomended for the calibre. This is not for maximum velocity, you will pretty much always get better velocity fromt he slower buring powders at these lengths, bt rather to reduce muzzle flash at last light. A unmoderated, short barreld smallbore loaded with a case full of slow powder will have a sensational muzzle flash and a very manly boom to boot.
- Where the hell can I find bullets, primers and powders in London, and is the answer “nowhere, or in Purdey’s”, as usual?
In London...
Pine Marten
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Thanks for the tip, Grandhubert! I think I have this one worked out now though. I now have a pretty clear load that I want to develop in mind, I'm just waiting for one last email before buying the bits. I'm off stalking bucks with Foss in July and will aim to have the load ready to go by then. Everything takes ages nowadays...
Grandhubert
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It was clearly explained to you from multiple sources that you would run into this problem, was it not?
Good luck with foss and Malc, I'm sure you'll tag something.
What is the load you were thinking about?
Pine Marten
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I'm going to answer this in PMs because otherwise, half the population of the Internet will jump down my throat. And that's the half that wasn't already giving me unsollicited, rabidly partisan babycare "advice".
Grandhubert
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You get used to it...
People think I'm mad for using the same load in my 06 on everything from moose to muntjac.
Pine Marten
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I was bored for five minutes so I made a wordcloud of this thread. We now have a pictorial representation of the SD guide to reloading.
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Tamus
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What, no heads?
Does heads have to get mentioned more than three times before heads gets a look in on your word cloud?
With heads being a such popular misnomer I would have thought heads would get at least a tiny mention...
Still no heads?
Pine Marten
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I didn't choose, the software did, but given the quality of contributions to this thread, it's not that surprising that heads aren't mentioned.
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