can you shoot 22-250 at bisley??
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I'm a BSRC RO but not NRA. I will verify the HV rules and get back to you.
I. Farticus
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To all:
I apologise without reserve if I have either dropped an individual in the cack, or said something out of line as it certainly wasn't my intention. I thought that I was answering the OP in good faith, based upon my own experiences at both Bisley (main ranges) and BSRC. If my response was factually incorrect, then that's my learning curve for the day.
With regards
iain
I apologise without reserve if I have either dropped an individual in the cack, or said something out of line as it certainly wasn't my intention. I thought that I was answering the OP in good faith, based upon my own experiences at both Bisley (main ranges) and BSRC. If my response was factually incorrect, then that's my learning curve for the day.
With regards
iain
mathieson
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If any help this is straight from the bisley "bible"
Limits as to Calibre, Muzzle Velocity and Muzzle Energy
No firearm and ammunition combination which develops a muzzle energy exceeding 7000 J (5160 ft lb) may be used on any of the Bisley ranges without the specific permission of the CE which must be sought in writing well in advance of the planned use. The following limits apply:
i for Rifle ranges, no specific calibre limitation but:
a maximum muzzle velocity of 1000 m/s (3280 ft/s) and
a maximum muzzle energy of 4500 J (3319 ft lb);
ii for Gallery Rifle and Pistol ranges, no specific calibre
limitation but:
a maximum muzzle velocity of 655 m/s (2150 ft/s) and a maximum muzzle energy of 2030 J (1496 ft lb).
iii for High Muzzle Energy (HME) firearms (see sub-para g below) the limits are:
a maximum muzzle velocity of 1000 m/s (3280 ft/s) and a maximum muzzle energy of 7000 J (5160 ft lb);
Limits as to Calibre, Muzzle Velocity and Muzzle Energy
No firearm and ammunition combination which develops a muzzle energy exceeding 7000 J (5160 ft lb) may be used on any of the Bisley ranges without the specific permission of the CE which must be sought in writing well in advance of the planned use. The following limits apply:
i for Rifle ranges, no specific calibre limitation but:
a maximum muzzle velocity of 1000 m/s (3280 ft/s) and
a maximum muzzle energy of 4500 J (3319 ft lb);
ii for Gallery Rifle and Pistol ranges, no specific calibre
limitation but:
a maximum muzzle velocity of 655 m/s (2150 ft/s) and a maximum muzzle energy of 2030 J (1496 ft lb).
iii for High Muzzle Energy (HME) firearms (see sub-para g below) the limits are:
a maximum muzzle velocity of 1000 m/s (3280 ft/s) and a maximum muzzle energy of 7000 J (5160 ft lb);
Sending PM.
The boys shooting 6PPC on Short Sibera one Sunday a month must be very close to 3280 fps. My 6PPC that I have shot there on occasion is just in excess of that figure velocity wise. So from what you are saying anyone shooting any highish velocity vermin round is not allowed, at the national shooting centre that is, if correct, a pretty poor show. Presumably its driven round most traditional target shooters using .308s.
If the powers that be wish to encourage participation at their events then they should be allowing all cartridges up to a certain ME irrespective of velocity.
Cant see how I can ever go back, my working loads in my rifles are all 3300 - 3600 depending on caliber.
A
If the powers that be wish to encourage participation at their events then they should be allowing all cartridges up to a certain ME irrespective of velocity.
Cant see how I can ever go back, my working loads in my rifles are all 3300 - 3600 depending on caliber.
A
HI all,
As a BSRC RCO and member I should like to add a little to this thread and will quote the BSRC rules and regulations:
Notwithstanding what is stated in current Range Regulations, the following dispensations will
apply until further notice:
1. HME rifles and ammunitions with a ME between 4500 and 7000 Joules may be used subject
to the provision that the Range Officer, who may not be the shooter but must be qualified to
shoot on the range, must be satisfied that the rifle is zeroed. This would normally be achieved
by bore-sighting using the special sighting cross and rifle holding rig available on the Statics
range. Both shooter and Range Officer would be jointly and severally responsible for
ensuring that these procedures are properly carried out.
There is an additional requirement for Provisional Members who must be supervised on a 1:1
basis, and for those with new or altered equipment where the rifle must be bore-sighted
before a shot is fired.
When check zeroing or HME ammunition testing is to be carried out it should only be
performed from a supported position from a minimum height of one metre and on a target
placed centrally in the upper frame on the HME lane on the Statics range.
2. Bullets designed for use on dangerous game, including those without a lead core may be used
but only from a supported position from a minimum height of one metre and on a target
placed centrally in the upper frame on the HME lane on the Statics range.
3. Vermin calibre cartridges with an MV up to but not exceeding 1350 m/s (4429 ft/s), may be
used providing the ME does not exceed 2600 Joules (1918 ftlbs).
As said, this is taken directly from the BSRC rules and regulations. Hope it helps.
Again, cannot be used any where else on Bisley.......unless, the range is under Military control!
Regards to all,
Mickey
As a BSRC RCO and member I should like to add a little to this thread and will quote the BSRC rules and regulations:
Notwithstanding what is stated in current Range Regulations, the following dispensations will
apply until further notice:
1. HME rifles and ammunitions with a ME between 4500 and 7000 Joules may be used subject
to the provision that the Range Officer, who may not be the shooter but must be qualified to
shoot on the range, must be satisfied that the rifle is zeroed. This would normally be achieved
by bore-sighting using the special sighting cross and rifle holding rig available on the Statics
range. Both shooter and Range Officer would be jointly and severally responsible for
ensuring that these procedures are properly carried out.
There is an additional requirement for Provisional Members who must be supervised on a 1:1
basis, and for those with new or altered equipment where the rifle must be bore-sighted
before a shot is fired.
When check zeroing or HME ammunition testing is to be carried out it should only be
performed from a supported position from a minimum height of one metre and on a target
placed centrally in the upper frame on the HME lane on the Statics range.
2. Bullets designed for use on dangerous game, including those without a lead core may be used
but only from a supported position from a minimum height of one metre and on a target
placed centrally in the upper frame on the HME lane on the Statics range.
3. Vermin calibre cartridges with an MV up to but not exceeding 1350 m/s (4429 ft/s), may be
used providing the ME does not exceed 2600 Joules (1918 ftlbs).
As said, this is taken directly from the BSRC rules and regulations. Hope it helps.
Again, cannot be used any where else on Bisley.......unless, the range is under Military control!
Regards to all,
Mickey
Thanks for the info Mickey. Where could i find the BSRC rules and regulations if i want to read up?
New we would get there eventually!
All we have to do is workout what this precludes:
"3. Vermin calibre cartridges with an MV up to but not exceeding 1350 m/s (4429 ft/s), may be used providing the ME does not exceed 2600 Joules (1918 ftlbs)."
K
All we have to do is workout what this precludes:
"3. Vermin calibre cartridges with an MV up to but not exceeding 1350 m/s (4429 ft/s), may be used providing the ME does not exceed 2600 Joules (1918 ftlbs)."
K
I. Farticus
Well-Known Member
Mickey
Thank you for confirming what I had been told at the club. This means that I was perfectly within my rights, as a member of BSRC, to use my .22-250 even though it exceeded the MOD/NRA MV limits.
I therefore withdraw my sweeping apology as others were clearly NOT in the position of knowing everything about everything...
Regards
iain
Sinistral
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'Vermin calibre' cartridges aren't defined, but as one view is that vermin are rabbits this might well be for .17 HMR.
This needs clarifying. I shouldn't rely on the Club Manual on the BSRC site. There's no mention of this under Range Regulations - page 133 on (dated Jan 2009)
http://www.bsrc.co.uk/
Might be the same as used for long-range donkey bashing.
The key part is not the ref to vermin but rather "cartridges with an MV up to but not exceeding 1350 m/s (4429 ft/s), may be used providing the ME does not exceed 2600 Joules (1918 ftlbs)."
K
you are not allowed as its all .ready been pointed out you can bore sight and zero at the bsrc range as the club have been given permission from the nra /mod to do this you cannot enter a club match or other event using this caliber if you want to try your luck bring it along to a match and see what happens .
Who mentioned the use of vermin bullets in NRA organised "competition"?
The question was asked if a 22 250 might be used at Bisley and the technically correct answer is yes, under certain conditions on the BSRC range as explained by NDT Man.
K
The question was asked if a 22 250 might be used at Bisley and the technically correct answer is yes, under certain conditions on the BSRC range as explained by NDT Man.
K
Orvil
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What NDT Man and Bomag said.
I speak as an NRA RCO (HME), BSRC RCO, NRA Instructor and assessor, general dogs body and **** stirrer.
If you try and use any prohibited calibre, be it 50 BMG, anything with the numbers "338" in it, anything with an ME of over 7000 joules or any calibre going faster than 3280fps and you don't have the express permission of the Secretary General.... your pants are coming down faster than the 3850fps rounds in question from the OP. BSRC has a special dispensation as NDT Man said and that's a process in itself.
Hope this helps
I speak as an NRA RCO (HME), BSRC RCO, NRA Instructor and assessor, general dogs body and **** stirrer.
If you try and use any prohibited calibre, be it 50 BMG, anything with the numbers "338" in it, anything with an ME of over 7000 joules or any calibre going faster than 3280fps and you don't have the express permission of the Secretary General.... your pants are coming down faster than the 3850fps rounds in question from the OP. BSRC has a special dispensation as NDT Man said and that's a process in itself.
Hope this helps
It does help yes.
Seems to be a number of different opinions on this and i have gathered what i can from all the answers. Thanks to everyone who has contributed there 5p!
I. Farticus
Well-Known Member
No-one has mentioned competition, so don't know where this has mysteriously appeared from?
The BSRC range can be used to bore sight a .22-250, and check zero - Fact. Did I mention anything else? I hope not, as that's all I've done
What is the issue here? The OP asked "can .22-250 be used at Bisley?" The answer is "yes", but absolutely dependent on location and circumstance, and this has been confirmed multiple times by a multitude of RCOs - and one self-confessed **** stirrer
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The BSRC range can be used to bore sight a .22-250, and check zero - Fact. Did I mention anything else? I hope not, as that's all I've done
What is the issue here? The OP asked "can .22-250 be used at Bisley?" The answer is "yes", but absolutely dependent on location and circumstance, and this has been confirmed multiple times by a multitude of RCOs - and one self-confessed **** stirrer
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