The people's republic of Scotland
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howa243
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Got a degree in Politics so perhaps you are on the right track.
so, one quarter they make a tiny profit compared with 5 years of huge losses......
Oil will be the preferred currency!
Seeing as the rest of the Uk will need it to power their planes, ships and tanks, so the joke might be on the rest of the UK
As it was, if I remember correctly, during the late 80's or early 90's the RAF were told not to fly on certain days in order to conserve fuel!
Ah a reincarnation of Alan B'stard then but without the funny bits!
The voice of reason.
Read the above and change the record. The UK Government, for all their legion other faults, take notice of people like Sir Ian Wood even if Scottish Nats do not. The OBR commissions reports from precisely such industry experts and advises the Government accordingly on the results. England is not obsessed with North Sea oil. Its just you. It is small change down the back of the sofa.
Why are you all so desperate to keep us together if there is nothing we can offer?
If you think it's going to be that bad for us and there is nothing here for you then let us go.
You have given us no other reason to stay - apart from it's going to be bad for us!!!
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howa243
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Clearly not. This may have started when listening to the 1993 7's world cup crowd at Murrayfield cheer on every team that took to the park against England. We can pretend that its all good hearted banter....but we know its not.
Jeez, you sound Scottish with that chip.........
Sport is tribal, surely you know that. Go to any club footie match and hear them wanting to kill each other....and then working in the same office quite happily on Monday morning.
It is generally a fallacy that the Scots "hate" the English, its only small minded people that think the English deserve our contempt. With your attitude, you could be an honorary Scot though. To bring Dunblane into this discussion is shameful, and short-sighted given Michael Ryan, Raol Moat, Michael Atherton Derrick Bird and the others that could have had all guns banned by their actions........they weren't Scots!!
Sport is tribal, surely you know that. Go to any club footie match and hear them wanting to kill each other....and then working in the same office quite happily on Monday morning.
It is generally a fallacy that the Scots "hate" the English, its only small minded people that think the English deserve our contempt. With your attitude, you could be an honorary Scot though. To bring Dunblane into this discussion is shameful, and short-sighted given Michael Ryan, Raol Moat, Michael Atherton Derrick Bird and the others that could have had all guns banned by their actions........they weren't Scots!!
If you can see that we are that opinionated and that you are not going to change us then let's us go or is it that you can't?
Aw Mickey you rose to the bait I've been biting my tongue so that I didn't drop to his gutter level.
multiman
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Lucky Eddie, Im not Desperate for you to stay, maybe the best thing for you would be to take your oil and enjoy it while it lasts.
I will feel sorry for you all up there when you wake up with the hangover after your party and find you are in the shait. I hope I am wrong mind. FYI my forefarthers were also 'Bulled' by the English but I do feel we would be stronger as a whole.
howa243
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You are absolutely right. I knew when I penned it I was wrong to do so. It was in jest really but obviously I knew it was likely to be taken badly. I guess the years of listening to the bile and vilification dripping down from the North have taken their toll. And again you are correct it tends to be the vocal minority that gets heard. That said I have not heard many supporters of the English from over the border.
howa243
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Personally I am happy too. I think that Scotland need to have a chance to determine its own affairs and not have the English to blame if things don't work out according to plan, My only concern is defence.
Mick9abf
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Prior to the apparent thread derail I would like to know this. The SNP are good about promoting the nhs, free education, free this and that.
They are completely against trident etc which is fine however have not even got a grasp of defence budgeting, for instance, they may not like nuclear weapons however; if our nation is to be part of NATO and get the protection that being a member of the group affords, nuclear or not, we have to spend 2% of our GDP on defence - fact.
Where is the budget for this?
If the nation wants to be part of the EU and are not automatically accepted farming subsidies, forestry subsidies etc are gone till we are unless the EU states decide to use a fund in place for such occurences, not so good for rural areas.
Where will the shortfall be got from, the good old taxpayer, unfortunately it won't affect the families who have been on the brew for generations and will never work even if they can as the free lunch is great, unless your the one paying it.
If these questions were near answered then the 'Yes' campaign may make sense. At the minute it just seems to good to be true. Make it a fairer country, or make the tax payer more pi***d off?
They are completely against trident etc which is fine however have not even got a grasp of defence budgeting, for instance, they may not like nuclear weapons however; if our nation is to be part of NATO and get the protection that being a member of the group affords, nuclear or not, we have to spend 2% of our GDP on defence - fact.
Where is the budget for this?
If the nation wants to be part of the EU and are not automatically accepted farming subsidies, forestry subsidies etc are gone till we are unless the EU states decide to use a fund in place for such occurences, not so good for rural areas.
Where will the shortfall be got from, the good old taxpayer, unfortunately it won't affect the families who have been on the brew for generations and will never work even if they can as the free lunch is great, unless your the one paying it.
If these questions were near answered then the 'Yes' campaign may make sense. At the minute it just seems to good to be true. Make it a fairer country, or make the tax payer more pi***d off?
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Lucky Eddie, Im not Desperate for you to stay, maybe the best thing for you would be to take your oil and enjoy it while it lasts.
But that's the thing if oil runs out for us it runs out for all of us if we are part of the UK.
If they say it runs out in 15 years for Britain then it should last a bit longer for us.
I asked earlier what happens when oil runs out for all?
Why will it be any different when it runs out for all
howa243
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Obviously I am pleased to hear it. I cannot understand the clamour for it and would be happy if we could all get on like it was one country. My only personal anecdote would be a farmer I know who regularly visits longtown livestock market. He tells me that even though he has known many of the Scottish farmers who visit for many years, he knows that if possible they would rather do business with another Scot. Also I have never read (but will now look) of Scottish residents having to move house back across the border due to harassment from English neighbours. As I say it may happen but I have never read about it and our opinions tend to be driven by our own experiences.
Mick9abf
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One thing will be shale gas extraction, which I believe is going through tender in England at the minute although there is a lot of resistance against 'fracking' for obvious reasons. It has however boosted oil company profits by 10% where they are 'fracking' elsewhere in world so think of the tax generated.
multiman
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My plan is to reopen the coal mines of South Wales and run my car and house via steam power. The local mine that my Dadcu worked in used to produce 472,000 tons of grade one anthracite a year.
When the mine was surveyed before Thatcher proclamed it unproductive and it was estimated that there was roughly 200 years worth of coal down there.
Thats my plan, hell we might as well go independant as well asnd sell it to England and Scotland.
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