Busting the myth of camouflage clothing

I mind a mate went up north to work on an estate and came back a few years later for a keepers day wearing the most ridiculous coloured tweeds u could imagine all white Grey's and blues but he reckoned on his ground in blends in great, think lot of granite, scree and white grass on that estate.
And he sent a photo later and he was right.

Yes. He's correct.

When Haggart's used to actually make shooting suits instead of being God knows what it is now there were rolls and rolls of various cloth. Some available to the general public and some unique estate patterns. I saw some almost white and some blue and grey (as above) and some the darkest of dark brown like raw peat. Some were quite bizarre to the eye. Very strong colour mixes.

When I had my suit made back in 1992 I still had my own land and pond I chose a off the peg pattern that was light brown (almost off-white) with ochre, light olive green and umber to blend with rushes and reeds. From a distance as it is now some thirty years old it doesn't look quite as "mellow yellow" as it did but against dead rank grass and reeds it still works very well.
 
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Was there not a study done a few years ago that reckoned ur as well with 4 big blotches of colour ( like Harlequins rugby shirt) as too a deer it just looks so random and completely breaks up ur outline.
Like others have said earlier most camo patterns will just look like a greenish human shaped blob from a distance.
I think boggy said something similar on 1dt page about mixing ur colours of trousers, jacket and hat.

That's the whole point of modern patterns...ie they are far more successful at breaking up outline at distance unless of course movement is seen, Olive drabs are fine if your stalk keeps you out of sight and downwind and you are careful about movement. However there are often times where a helping hand for traversing open or sparsely covered land (slowly) can be had with something that breaks outline up.

I agree that hands and face coverings are essential for more open stalking if you want to remain unseen longer. When pigeon shooting, I always wear gloves and a camo hat or one of those see through veils and it's surprising just how much difference masking the hands and face can be.

Multicam, Cadpat (oft called "Cowpat"!), Optifade, and Deerhunter "Equipt" patterns are just a few good examples of patterns that successfully keep the outline broken up better at distance than older patterns and a heck of a lot of research has gone into those. I'm a bit of a camo tart, not for reasons of shooting really but because it has been an interest for 30 odd years and I have many examples of jackets using a multitude of patterns over the years. In woodland for the UK, my go to choice for autumn and winter remains the old tried, tested and amazingly effective woodland oakleaf patterns, the ones with decent contrast and not too busy a pattern and for all other times, the Deer hunter Equipt or Cadpat are very effective for where you have mostly various green hues.
 
Here's a quick picture of the tweed I have. Thirty years on and it has had a darn repair here and there and the moth ruined one of the pair of plus fours but it soldiers on.
 

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Yes. He's correct.

When Haggart's used to actually make shooting suits instead of being God knows what it is now there were rolls and rolls of various cloth. Some available to the general public and some unique estate patterns. I saw some almost white and some blue and grey (as above) and some the darkest of dark brown like raw peat. Some were quite bizarre to the eye. Very strong colour mixes.

When I had my suit made back in 1992 I still had my own land and pond I chose a off the peg pattern that was light brown (almost off-white) with ochre, light olive green and umber to blend with rushes and reeds. From a distance as it is now some thirty years old it doesn't look quite as "mellow yellow" as it did but against dead rank grass and reeds it still works very well.

Yep, for the hill, it's hard to think of better clothing than a multi-colour tweed, nor a better material.
 
I remember a friend saying that if it was too wet to shoot or stalk if wearing a good tweed then it was just too wet to shoot or stalk. If only they'd invent a tweed that as well as keeping you well concealed from the ducks also made you a better shot! I do see some odd sort of trousers being worn by people nowadays they aren't proper plus fours or even proper plus twos but resemble tight fitting Edwardian gentleman's cycling knickerbockers. Heaven knows how they are supposed to keep wet fabric around the knee and just above away from the leg. I suppose that they don't?
 
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The Nazis pretty much got it right back in late to mid WWII and we Brits with the Denison smock. Both but in different ways try to break up or "disrupt" the eye from making out the figure of a man.
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The smock on the left is german 1940's, nice drab tones and a few 'blocks' of colours in there too. The right hand one looks rather loud in comparison, but designed for a different environment. Both work well i think.
 
In the US the only time I wear camo is when turkey hunting-because everything I’ve read tells me I must. I don’t believe my success ratio is measurably better now than when I didn’t wear camo. When deer hunting I normally wear jeans and khaki or green shirts, sweaters or jackets.
 
A lot of the american hunters wear camo gear that has bright orange through it so that other hunters etc can see them but the deer can't so it must work.
The most experienced and successful stalkers I know never wear cammo just green olive type colours.
I always thought they wore orange to reduce the number of hunters being shot by other hunters...
 
Deer may not be able to see in colour, but as with most mammals, their eyesight is understood to have have good tonal range and contrast and depth perception so it incorrect to say that camo doesn't work where they are concerned. You can do a lot to break up your outline, avoid shine (don't wear your blingy gold chains and sovereign rings and shiny sub mariners when stalking!).

Most who wear olive drab I suspect do so because their stalking environment presents lots of cover and because they don't wish to be seen in camo (???????wearing it guarantees that!). I can understand that people don't want to be dressed as some sort of paramilitary countryside terrorist...the view that some of the public might associate those in surplus clothing being somewhat undesirables which is a comment I have heard plenty enough from those ignorant of the reasons.

The less I can be seen by my quarry and by the public, the better. When stalking in local valleys, walkers have actually crossed one of the valleys before now to challenge me for shooting as they saw me carrying a rifle. I politely told them to mind their own and get back onto the public footpath. Such occasions can be avoided if we remain undetected. Binos are as much for looking out for people, as they are for stalking our quarry, something many shooters oft forget but shouldn't. The odd shot going off often scares people, understandably so if I come across members of the public, I make a point of explaining to them that they remain perfectly safe as long as they stay on the paths and don't wander off to investigate the off pop or bang. I also tell them that all shots are taken into a safe backstop so if they hear something, they needn't worry about ricochets or bullets whizzing past...it isn't going to happen. Better though imho to avoid contact if at all possible as you never know who's an anti'. Walking up to groups of people is a big no-no when armed for that very reason.

Camo has it's place and don't let anyone deride you over it. It's your choice what you wear and no-one needs to justify what they choose nor be judged by their choices.
 
Do you ever get sun in the UK you lot?

Well take the time when (if) wearing camo as you are illuminated by the sun and move your arm in the light ........ some materials used in modern hunting wear reflect light so badly that I now refuse to wear one very big NZ name`s product. I have a fair bit of it in the BOTTOM of a robe.
 
Playing with cammo since a while. My take... cammo only works if used with the right background.

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Do you ever get sun in the UK you lot?

Well take the time when (if) wearing camo as you are illuminated by the sun and move your arm in the light ........ some materials used in modern hunting wear reflect light so badly that I now refuse to wear one very big NZ name`s product. I have a fair bit of it in the BOTTOM of a robe.

Spill the beans! :popcorn:
 
Playing with cammo since a while. My take... cammo only works if used with the right background.

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To our eyes, yes, but as you move back, the colours tend to become less important than the tones and contrast match.
 
Do you ever get sun in the UK you lot?

Well take the time when (if) wearing camo as you are illuminated by the sun and move your arm in the light ........ some materials used in modern hunting wear reflect light so badly that I now refuse to wear one very big NZ name`s product. I have a fair bit of it in the BOTTOM of a robe.

Sun what's that?
 
Your drop chart!!

Surely you could print on green paper... ;)
I should, then again my eyes are not the greatest at short range without glasses. I am not too fussy with hunting clothes either, we are mainly after Sika where movement is the main issue.
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I should, then again my eyes are not the greatest at short range without glasses. I am not too fussy with hunting clothes either, we are mainly after Sika where movement is the main issue.
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Having just started stalking sika, I have decided that merely being in the same county is the main issue.

I am starting to believe more and more of the stories...

Are you actively stalking them, or waiting to ambush when they come out?
 
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