Roe doe are so tough

owenlee

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Was out stalking yesterday on some land in Dorset when a beautiful Doe presented her self side on at 200 with a perfect back stop and feeling comfortable in my shooting position I placed the shot perfectly passing both lungs and the shoulder she still ran over 200 yards before falling was incredible how she got that far with the internal damage. I was using my blaser r93 in 6.5x55 140gr sst I’ve not used it on larger deer species yet hopefully get on a sika stag before the season ends but I may use my 270 barrel for that job because I’ve heard the tough deer. The carry back was a long haul on my back loved every second by far deer stalking is the best plus the rewards at the end of it.
 

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It may have been the bullet you used, expansion etc., adrenaline and blood oxygen can make a difference, but as Nickb says, they don't always know they are dead!
 
It may have been the bullet you used, expansion etc., adrenaline and blood oxygen can make a difference, but as Nickb says, they don't always know they are dead!
Unless it’s very slow that won’t be the case with an SST, it stands for ‘Super Shock Treatment’.

As posted elsewhere, I hit a doe at 290 yards with north of 3100 ft-lb impact energy from my PRC and she still ran 60 yards with a tennis ball exit and lung pulled out.

As you say, they just don’t know they’re dead.
 
Lung shots kill by the deer drowning in its own blood. The lungs are full of blood vessels- think a tree, with the main pulmonary being the trunk, then going into all the branches.

If the bullet punctures the main artery blood loss will be very rapid. Put the bullet further back into all the branches, the blood vessels are much narrower and hence takes a lit longer to bleed out. A punctured lung is a pretty survivable event if it either self seals with clotting or you add a wound dressing.

The reason why animals have all their vital organs towards the front on the chest cavity protected the shoulder muscles, bones and ribcage is to protect against puncturing injuries to thr major blood vessels. This causes rapid death, especially if you also take out the major bundles of nerves.

And roe deer are a small target and it doesn’t take much to be a bit off target, and at 200m bullets are already loosing quite a bit of velocity and thus on impact will cause a narrower wound channel, hence the need to ensure the bullet is closer to the centre of the killzone and major arteries. But given most stalkers probably can shoot a 2” group at 100 when we talk about first round hit after you have stalked into something, are lying with a rock sticking into your side on a slopping hillside and your heart rate is up, such a group opens up to 4 to 6” at 200, so even if your shot is perfect, naturally dispersion of bullet can cause you problems. Wind - 10mph feels like a gentle breeze, doesn’t affect at 100, can cause a few inches drift at 200.

And even perfectly shot deer run. Nature has an incredible tenacity for life and I have had roe run 100 yards having been shot through the shoulders with the heart obliterated. Usain Bolt can cover 100m in a bit under 10 seconds. A deer is at least twice as fast as a sprinter so can cover an awful lot of ground in a few seconds.

As you get more experienced you will realise that longer shots generally result in a more difficult and longer follow up, and that taking them vs trying to get closer or waiting fir a better chance is often the easiest option. Once you have spent several hours with that horrible sinking guilty feeling of a wounded whilst search clear felled timber covered in braken, nettles and brambles on 45 degree slope in the ****ing rain and dark you will come to realise this.
 
All of my furthest runners after perfect heart shots have been roe, and that’s out of all the uk species. I think that there is a distinct difference between open ground roe that live on the downs who spend their whole life running from disturbance and woodland roe. I obviously don’t think roe are particularly tough, just that some of them are extremely fit and can run further without oxygen than the other species.
 
Had the Op been using a Creedmoor .................................................................................................

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Out of say 10 roe (dont normally shoot roe) that my man bun gun has accounted for the furthest one ran was about 10 yards so nowt wrong with the Creed ...ranges between 15 yards and 300 👍 😛
 
200 yard run equals what ? less than say 15 seconds i guess . A human athlete can sprint 100 yards on two breaths . A true lung shot kills from lack of 02 and a Roe is a lot faster runner than any human.
Sometimes we see long death runs after the shot and its nearly aways the deer had already been on high alert !
 
I have never thought of roe as especially tough, very large red stags often trundle off a fair distance-and sika are well documented as being tough to drop in their tracks (I now exclusively shoulder shoot).

I would say this, I have shot roe with .222, 243, 6.5x55 & 57, 25-06, 308, 30-06 and 7mm RM, the longest runners are always heart shot 308 with my standard TTSX load. My guess is there simply isn’t enough tissue to make the bullet work properly-whereas it usually puts the bigger species down quickly with the same placement. I wonder if your chosen load is similar, 6.5x55 is known as a deeply penetrating round especially in 140+ grain.
 
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Lung shots kill by the deer drowning in its own blood.

No.
Deer die from a lung shot primarily through rapid, massive hemorrhage (blood loss) and, secondarily, from suffocation if both lungs collapse, causing hemorrhagic shock and a lack of oxygen to the brain. The shot punctures the lungs and severs vital blood vessels, causing the chest cavity to fill with blood while the heart is still beating.
 
If you not shoot brain or spine , Bang-Flop is not the majority even with small deer

That isn't my experience. Here's a copy & paste of a post I made a few days ago:

"I've just had a look at my spreadsheet. I shoot a 6.5 x 55mm using Norma factory 120gr Ballistic Tips...

75% of my deer (muntjac, CWD & roe; average range 119 yards) drop in their own hoofprints.

Only 6.25% run more than 10 yards
."

maximus otter
 
That isn't my experience. Here's a copy & paste of a post I made a few days ago:

"I've just had a look at my spreadsheet. I shoot a 6.5 x 55mm using Norma factory 120gr Ballistic Tips...

75% of my deer (muntjac, CWD & roe; average range 119 yards) drop in their own hoofprints.

Only 6.25% run more than 10 yards
."

maximus otter

The vast majority of what I shoot with .270 using copper 130g Hornady GMX Superformance drop on the spot.

I shot a roe the other day that ran about 15 yards.

I am shoulder or chest shooting and do get a fair bit of damage on small deer so usually end up cutting off the front end.

I am looking for a smaller calibre for muntjac, cwd and roe but am undecided on what to go for.
 
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