New NE Deer Night Shooting Licence England/Wales (CL55)
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Norfolk Deer Search
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You old cynic you!
phillips321
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Based on what? Surely night shooting means we get closer so there are fewer extended range shots?
Norfolk Deer Search
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How many deer have you shot at night?
phillips321
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You're deflecting, tell me why you say 100%
Pellet Pinger
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With respect you are very vocal about your hatred for technology, fair enough but you cannot deny modern NV is more than capable of shooting deer humanely at night.
This isn’t going to be a case of any old div going out and shooting deer anywhere he likes, it will be the same stalkers that have their usual ground but just extending the time, most will be competent and experienced day or night.
Since good glass has been around people have been shooting deer right up to its capability BUT that image through glass isn’t great. Modern NV is safer than glass at last knockings but you still need to know your ground.
Then stick an illuminator on an Alpex at 2am and its a far clearer picture than glass or NV at last knockings so arguably you are shooting with a clearer brighter image.
The argument about retrieving shot animals is the same for last legal light as it is for the early hours so a non starter.
Norfolk Deer Search
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I’m not deflecting nothing, I’ve tracked enough poorly shot Deer during the day. How are you supposed to track them properly at night if they’re wounded?
You leg shoot a deer or liver, then go straight in after it gets up and run. How are you gonna find it?
Permissions are small in England, you **** up and even worse you **** up the follow up, the animal can be across the boundary suffering before you even clipped your fingers, so please don’t preach to me about deflecting!
I’m thinking about the one thing none of you seem to worry about, and that is animal welfare!
Norfolk Deer Search
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Bit like the last cwd cull day I had here, had all the singing and dancing digital excellence scope etc, had a shot within the last knockings. I would say within two minutes of hours three shots later CWD returned more holes in the sieve and Green soup, turns out the animal is at an angle so yeah you can keep your technology and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine, i’ll stick to my glass and when I can’t see it, it’s time to head home and crack a beer
phillips321
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Thermal drone, a decent deer dog. But thats not were discussing, you commented "100% it will" in reference to there being an increase of wounded deer due to night shooting.... You still haven't answered that.
So... Why will night shooting increase the occurrence of wounded deer?
I didn't know shooting a deer was the best thing for its welfare.
FISH BOY
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Dunno about you, but don’t fancy being out at 2am after anything unless it’s a 32C
Couple hours either side of legal hours will do.
The tech is there, so bar better shot placement than foxing, don’t see any real difference in risk if you know your ground. My thinking is that sharp knives on the gralloch and extraction under torch light pose a higher risk.
Has NDS just been unleashed from a holiday or a ban or something?
My experience of night shooting is that shot placement is not an issue - the NV is more difficult for angle of quarter but you have more time. The issue is not the shooting of the deer but, imho, the safety of the backstop.
As for welfare, licences are intended for places where the density is high and, imho, yes, shooting it is actually best for its welfare.
My experience of night shooting is that shot placement is not an issue - the NV is more difficult for angle of quarter but you have more time. The issue is not the shooting of the deer but, imho, the safety of the backstop.
As for welfare, licences are intended for places where the density is high and, imho, yes, shooting it is actually best for its welfare.
On smaller permissions or bordering urban areas this is absolutely right.
SussexSteve
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Not sure it’s the perfect solution but it’s a start. Shooting enough of the herding species is hard work in the day and really a full time job which is why we are in the situation now of ridiculous numbers. Who is going to go out night after night, or even ten day, when the price drops to £1a kg ? The money wont go far when you are out 2 handed to comply with the best practice. A few nights out on a small permission will see your deer soon move off possibly for the rest of the season. Add to that chest shots preferred and lots of deer will be running into cover and not retrieved until the next day if at all. Not a pretty sight for Karen walking her dog! Herding deer on the move more at night if shot at will surely increase RTCs. It’s a good tool in the hands of the right people but not sure it will mean a massive decrease in numbers that’s needed. No change in seasons thats a mistake in my eyes. Government agency full time paid stalkers and fines for landowners harbouring deer on safe havens is the only way to solve the problem. If indeed it is a problem. I manage 30000 acres and only 2 areas I have a higher density of fallow than I’d like due to various reasons. I could deal with that in 2 seasons with a night licence
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Ruby Tuesday 2
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Luckily it was a quick drop off at the dealers with no waiting around……..
We here an awful lot about these latest didital aids and NV scopes. Now funnily enough I have heard from two stalkers that even in daylight these things can go wrong. Beautiful pictures (I had one) but on more than one occasion things have gone tits up for these two chaps. Aim and shoot looks ok but result is a mis hit. Look on video aim point great, but actual strike not. There appears to be some sort of time lapse with digital. As they said, not every time but enough to make them go back to glass. I never used mine in anger but then I am not interested in any later than 45 mins after sunset.
Id be blaming the shooter, not the 50fps odd frame rate.
If they're tracking a deer running full sprint, then yes maybe. But who's taking that shot? Not anyone sensible
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