New NE Deer Night Shooting Licence England/Wales (CL55)

Jh1986 said:

Id be blaming the shooter, not the 50fps odd frame rate.

If they're tracking a deer running full sprint, then yes maybe. But who's taking that shot? Not anyone sensible

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Jon P said:

3 people I know using the newer Day /night scopes have had un explained misses On stationary deer . Look back at the video and shot should be on target- check rifle and POI is fine. I have had it myself- not sure if a glitch in software if screen refreshes or what. Not every one seems to get it. Or say they don’t .

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SussexSteve said:

Not sure it’s the perfect solution but it’s a start. Shooting enough of the herding species is hard work in the day and really a full time job which is why we are in the situation now of ridiculous numbers. Who is going to go out night after night, or even ten day, when the price drops to £1a kg ? The money wont go far when you are out 2 handed to comply with the best practice. A few nights out on a small permission will see your deer soon move off possibly for the rest of the season. Add to that chest shots preferred and lots of deer will be running into cover and not retrieved until the next day if at all. Not a pretty sight for Karen walking her dog! Herding deer on the move more at night if shot at will surely increase RTCs. It’s a good tool in the hands of the right people but not sure it will mean a massive decrease in numbers that’s needed. No change in seasons thats a mistake in my eyes. Government agency full time paid stalkers and fines for landowners harbouring deer on safe havens is the only way to solve the problem. If indeed it is a problem. I manage 30000 acres and only 2 areas I have a higher density of fallow than I’d like due to various reasons. I could deal with that in 2 seasons with a night licence

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RCS Deer Management said:

Plenty of people missed with traditional day optics, the only difference is that you can’t reply the shot to watch it again after. If you could I’m sure you would find the same thing

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Jh1986 said:

Id be blaming the shooter, not the 50fps odd frame rate.

If they're tracking a deer running full sprint, then yes maybe. But who's taking that shot? Not anyone sensible

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Ratel said:

Definitely not either shooter, both extremely experienced stalkers and riflemen. Stationary deer. Could be particular make of gear.

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Jh1986 said:

Enough scope jitter to cause a clean miss, would also be noticeable to the shooter. There's many factors at play and any one of them could have been the cause, from ammunition, to a twig in the way. Without seeing the footage, we'll never know.

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Adam f said:

Multiple stalkers on a single site all with CL55 - who logs in and who logs the deer shot? Each individual or can one do it for all?

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wytonpjs said:

Coming hard on the heels of the Government's publication of it's new deer policy, I'm surprised no-one else has commented on yesterday's publication of new statutory licensing for night shooting of deer in England/Wales. It's breaking in the BASC press but full details are here:

Licence to kill deer at night by shooting (CL55)

www.gov.uk

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• All those wo took part in the course I attended were experienced deer managers with DSC2, contracts/licenses to manage deer on large estates, and in most cases managing several other Stalkers in their team.
• The course is about The Law, Safety, and deer welfare.
• The course discourages headshots and promotes h/l shots.
• The issue of Game Dealers not wanting to accept h/l shot carcasses was not addressed.
• The deer ID Pictures (night, thermal or NV, still pictures) were of low quality, were very hard, and quite a few struggled on this and some Failed. I simply had to guess 3/10 pictures and only by pure luck managed to reach the pass mark of 8/10.
• The theory multiple choice questions were really quite basic.
• The Practical safety test was about common sense but still failed by one candidate.
• The Marksman Test was failed by half the candidates on the first attempt, including me, but we all passed it on the second attempt. Those using borrowed Thermal, borrowed NV and clip-on devices struggled most. The targets were hard to spot by those using thermal scopes.

Erik Hamburger said:

Looking at all the comments and questions there is obviously a huge amount of confusion. I did the Deer Night Shooting qualification some three weeks ago (and miracles happen....a Pass!) , offered to me by one of my Landowners, and within a week of doing the course I learned about the new online registration process to N.E. in Cat. 1, 2, 3 and 4. Which lead a few of my contacts to comment that doing the course had been 'a waste of time and money'.

I disagree, for two reasons:

1. Registering for the course made me do several 'training' sessions in the week before the course. This wasn't time wasted as I realised I had to improve on my Marksmanship, in particular the 20 Yards Dispatch shot caused me some issues. Having my rifle zero checked and shooting at a target with my Red LED Lamp was very useful practice. It was good to meet some others on the course and it was good to be tested on theory and practical skills under exam conditions. I arrived at the Course venue feeling I was reasonably well prepared.
2. I believe that some Landowners may well go one step further in their minimum requirements for allowing their Stalkers night shooting. So it may well be 'Legal' if the the Stalker is just Registered with N.E. under Cat. 1-4; but that doesn't mean that some Landowners won't set higher standards, such as the requirement to have passed the Deer Night Shooting course successfully.

My feedback on the course is:

• All those wo took part in the course I attended were experienced deer managers with DSC2, contracts/licenses to manage deer on large estates, and in most cases managing several other Stalkers in their team.
• The course is about The Law, Safety, and deer welfare.
• The course discourages headshots and promotes h/l shots.
• The issue of Game Dealers not wanting to accept h/l shot carcasses was not addressed.
• The deer ID Pictures (night, thermal or NV, still pictures) were of low quality, were very hard, and quite a few struggled on this and some Failed. I simply had to guess 3/10 pictures and only by pure luck managed to reach the pass mark of 8/10.
• The theory multiple choice questions were really quite basic.
• The Practical safety test was about common sense but still failed by one candidate.
• The Marksman Test was failed by half the candidates on the first attempt, including me, but we all passed it on the second attempt. Those using borrowed Thermal, borrowed NV and clip-on devices struggled most. The targets were hard to spot by those using thermal scopes.

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Erik Hamburger said:

Looking at all the comments and questions there is obviously a huge amount of confusion. I did the Deer Night Shooting qualification some three weeks ago (and miracles happen....a Pass!) , offered to me by one of my Landowners, and within a week of doing the course I learned about the new online registration process to N.E. in Cat. 1, 2, 3 and 4. Which lead a few of my contacts to comment that doing the course had been 'a waste of time and money'.

I disagree, for two reasons:

1. Registering for the course made me do several 'training' sessions in the week before the course. This wasn't time wasted as I realised I had to improve on my Marksmanship, in particular the 20 Yards Dispatch shot caused me some issues. Having my rifle zero checked and shooting at a target with my Red LED Lamp was very useful practice. It was good to meet some others on the course and it was good to be tested on theory and practical skills under exam conditions. I arrived at the Course venue feeling I was reasonably well prepared.
2. I believe that some Landowners may well go one step further in their minimum requirements for allowing their Stalkers night shooting. So it may well be 'Legal' if the the Stalker is just Registered with N.E. under Cat. 1-4; but that doesn't mean that some Landowners won't set higher standards, such as the requirement to have passed the Deer Night Shooting course successfully.

My feedback on the course is:

• All those wo took part in the course I attended were experienced deer managers with DSC2, contracts/licenses to manage deer on large estates, and in most cases managing several other Stalkers in their team.
• The course is about The Law, Safety, and deer welfare.
• The course discourages headshots and promotes h/l shots.
• The issue of Game Dealers not wanting to accept h/l shot carcasses was not addressed.
• The deer ID Pictures (night, thermal or NV, still pictures) were of low quality, were very hard, and quite a few struggled on this and some Failed. I simply had to guess 3/10 pictures and only by pure luck managed to reach the pass mark of 8/10.
• The theory multiple choice questions were really quite basic.
• The Practical safety test was about common sense but still failed by one candidate.
• The Marksman Test was failed by half the candidates on the first attempt, including me, but we all passed it on the second attempt. Those using borrowed Thermal, borrowed NV and clip-on devices struggled most. The targets were hard to spot by those using thermal scopes.

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Adam f said:

Multiple stalkers on a single site all with CL55 - who logs in and who logs the deer shot? Each individual or can one do it for all?

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SussexSteve said:

My mate doesn’t read or write so well and doesn’t have dsc1 or dsc2. What he does have is years and years and hours and hours 6 days a week over vast acreage and experience of fox and rabbit shooting in the dark with lamps nv and thermal scopes. He has an open ticket for deer. He can butcher a fallow completely vac packed in 30mins yet doesn’t have the paperwork for a night licence but someone fresh off the bds pds and Basc conveyor belt does. Make that make sense

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wytonpjs said:

I would say whoever is co-ordinating/running the site, or as they direct.

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SussexSteve said:

My mate doesn’t read or write so well and doesn’t have dsc1 or dsc2. What he does have is years and years and hours and hours 6 days a week over vast acreage and experience of fox and rabbit shooting in the dark with lamps nv and thermal scopes. He has an open ticket for deer. He can butcher a fallow completely vac packed in 30mins yet doesn’t have the paperwork for a night licence but someone fresh off the bds pds and Basc conveyor belt does. Make that make sense

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