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Latest from Face, not that the anti shooting/living bunch of pillocks we have will have any interest in other than their own agenda:

Later this month, the EU REACH Committee is expected to meet to discuss the proposal to restrict lead in ammunition.

At the last REACH Committee meeting, it became clear that bullets would be removed entirely from the scope of the proposal, meaning that the current draft now concerns lead shot only.

The minutes of the previous REACH Committee meeting indicate that some Member States continue to raise concerns about the timing of the proposed restriction. At the same time, Member States also engaged in discussions on the length of the proposed transitional period.

In particular, the minutes note an exchange regarding a possible extension of the transition period for lead shot used in hunting from three years to five years, reflecting continued concerns around the practical, economic, and logistical implications of the proposed measures.

The European Commission is expected to take stock of Member States’ feedback and may present a revised draft for further discussion. It is likely that a vote will take place in the coming months.

FACE continues to closely monitor this important regulatory file, which remains a significant file affecting Europe’s 7 million hunters and the wider hunting and shooting sector.
 
Looks like rifle ammunition is not going to be affected.
Any update on the status of lead shot ban following its rejection by 7 countries at a meeting of Agriculture ministers about a year ago?
 
Our shooting organisations should be picking up and acting on this. The enforced conversion to copper centrefire is wholly unmanageable & being pushed along/encouraged by an anti shooting agenda knowing full well the implications - a further restriction to people shooting game.
If there is a market for ‘non toxic’ venison then let the market place dictate & lead/encourage the conversion - how long has this agenda been pushed? I see & hear of no positive attributes to this push so far other than fragmenting the shooting community - which is a result for said anti’s.
 
Woodenbeam said:
Our shooting organisations should be picking up and acting on this. The enforced conversion to copper centrefire is wholly unmanageable & being pushed along/encouraged by an anti shooting agenda knowing full well the implications - a further restriction to people shooting game.
If there is a market for ‘non toxic’ venison then let the market place dictate & lead/encourage the conversion - how long has this agenda been pushed? I see & hear of no positive attributes to this push so far other than fragmenting the shooting community - which is a result for said anti’s.
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They will never do it!
 
Woodenbeam said:
Our shooting organisations should be picking up and acting on this. The enforced conversion to copper centrefire is wholly unmanageable & being pushed along/encouraged by an anti shooting agenda knowing full well the implications - a further restriction to people shooting game.
If there is a market for ‘non toxic’ venison then let the market place dictate & lead/encourage the conversion - how long has this agenda been pushed? I see & hear of no positive attributes to this push so far other than fragmenting the shooting community - which is a result for said anti’s.
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If we want to put venison into the wide public food chain lead should not be anywhere near the carcass.

Lead has no known to science beneficial effects on the metabolism of any animal, bird or plant. There is no safe level of exposure.

The science has demonstrated that lead fragments down to nano particle level are widely spread throughout a carcass shot with a lead bullet.

And there is plenty of science clearly showing the link between even very low levels - nano gram level concentrations - of lead and many usually fatal conditions.

This science is now well understood by the powers that be, and by the shooting organisations.

There are plenty of non toxic bullets that work humanely and well. Tens of thousands of deer are being shot with such bullets. The only downside is an extra £1 to £2 in the cost of ammunition to shoot each deer. Up here in Scotland many of game dealers now will not take any lead shot deer. Contractors are being paid over £100 per deer. So the extra cost for each deer shot is pretty immaterial.
 
Heym SR20 said:
If we want to put venison into the wide public food chain lead should not be anywhere near the carcass.

Lead has no known to science beneficial effects on the metabolism of any animal, bird or plant. There is no safe level of exposure.

The science has demonstrated that lead fragments down to nano particle level are widely spread throughout a carcass shot with a lead bullet.

And there is plenty of science clearly showing the link between even very low levels - nano gram level concentrations - of lead and many usually fatal conditions.

This science is now well understood by the powers that be, and by the shooting organisations.

There are plenty of non toxic bullets that work humanely and well. Tens of thousands of deer are being shot with such bullets. The only downside is an extra £1 to £2 in the cost of ammunition to shoot each deer. Up here in Scotland many of game dealers now will not take any lead shot deer. Contractors are being paid over £100 per deer. So the extra cost for each deer shot is pretty immaterial.
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There are no known safe levels of all sorts of substances. For instance tobacco products, you know, the stuff you use to sell....!

Whilst you may wish to march to the socialist drum and under it's banner fill your boots.
I and many many others believe in freedom of choice.
For instance, I choose not to smoke tobacco. Glad I don't now, I'd hate to think I may of contributed to one of your pension packages when I have non, anyway, I didn't need and state legislation to force me to not smoke.

Please don't spout, you load lead bullets sans NBC suit and have a pair of lead vice jaws covers.

If the market place says no lead on the menus then fine. Personal consumption, with added lead, also fine. Just like tobacco!
 
Heym SR20 said:
If we want to put venison into the wide public food chain lead should not be anywhere near the carcass.

Lead has no known to science beneficial effects on the metabolism of any animal, bird or plant. There is no safe level of exposure.

The science has demonstrated that lead fragments down to nano particle level are widely spread throughout a carcass shot with a lead bullet.

And there is plenty of science clearly showing the link between even very low levels - nano gram level concentrations - of lead and many usually fatal conditions.

This science is now well understood by the powers that be, and by the shooting organisations.

There are plenty of non toxic bullets that work humanely and well. Tens of thousands of deer are being shot with such bullets. The only downside is an extra £1 to £2 in the cost of ammunition to shoot each deer. Up here in Scotland many of game dealers now will not take any lead shot deer. Contractors are being paid over £100 per deer. So the extra cost for each deer shot is pretty immaterial.
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Lead is toxic, copper is toxic and at the rate this world is going uranium is also toxic, who bloody cares!
 
Just refer to the majority of the so called Non-Lead (note now they do not say Non-Toxic as every heavy metal/ heavy metal oxide is toxic. Heck UK dentist still put mercury in your fillings, which made lead look positively healthy) projectiles (especially the target solid rounds) are in effect Semi Armour piercing and point out semi armour piercing and armour piercing bullets are illegal to hold.
 
Heym SR20 said:
If we want to put venison into the wide public food chain lead should not be anywhere near the carcass.

Lead has no known to science beneficial effects on the metabolism of any animal, bird or plant. There is no safe level of exposure.

The science has demonstrated that lead fragments down to nano particle level are widely spread throughout a carcass shot with a lead bullet.

And there is plenty of science clearly showing the link between even very low levels - nano gram level concentrations - of lead and many usually fatal conditions.

This science is now well understood by the powers that be, and by the shooting organisations.

There are plenty of non toxic bullets that work humanely and well. Tens of thousands of deer are being shot with such bullets. The only downside is an extra £1 to £2 in the cost of ammunition to shoot each deer. Up here in Scotland many of game dealers now will not take any lead shot deer. Contractors are being paid over £100 per deer. So the extra cost for each deer shot is pretty immaterial.
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So when are they banning Tuna given that it contains mercury?

Simple answer, they aren’t. Consumption of seafood and shellfish known to contain mercury (very similar to lead in its potential for harm) is allowed and guidelines are issued on how to do so safely.

No different to how lead shot game should be handled
 
palmer_mike said:
So when are they banning Tuna given that it contains mercury?

Simple answer, they aren’t. Consumption of seafood and shellfish known to contain mercury (very similar to lead in its potential for harm) is allowed and guidelines are issued on how to do so safely.

No different to how lead shot game should be handled
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NHS Guidelines on Fish including guidelines on eating tuna

www.nhs.uk

Fish and shellfish

Find out why most of us should eat more fish, including oily fish for omega-3. Learn how to eat fish and shellfish safely, including information on fish and shellfish allergies.
www.nhs.uk www.nhs.uk

Note advice on eating tuna whilst pregnant because of risks of Mercury.
 
Heym SR20 said:
If we want to put venison into the wide public food chain lead should not be anywhere near the carcass.

Lead has no known to science beneficial effects on the metabolism of any animal, bird or plant. There is no safe level of exposure.

The science has demonstrated that lead fragments down to nano particle level are widely spread throughout a carcass shot with a lead bullet.

And there is plenty of science clearly showing the link between even very low levels - nano gram level concentrations - of lead and many usually fatal conditions.

This science is now well understood by the powers that be, and by the shooting organisations.

There are plenty of non toxic bullets that work humanely and well. Tens of thousands of deer are being shot with such bullets. The only downside is an extra £1 to £2 in the cost of ammunition to shoot each deer. Up here in Scotland many of game dealers now will not take any lead shot deer. Contractors are being paid over £100 per deer. So the extra cost for each deer shot is pretty immaterial.
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So the goal is no lead entering the food chain, so how many clay pigeons enter the food chain?
 
Liveonce said:
So the goal is no lead entering the food chain, so how many clay pigeons enter the food chain?
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If you read the minister’s reasoning behind the total lead ban, you will find there is very little trust that the shooting community wouldn’t simply use lead cartridges for clay pigeon shooting when shooting wild birds and in places where lead shot couldn’t be recovered and prevented from entering the wider environment.

She cited the continued use of lead in shot wildfowl, despite the prohibition of using lead on wildfowl (in England) and over wetlands (in Scotland).

For this reason there is now a total ban on the sale of lead shot and cartridges loaded with lead shot, save for a very limited derogation for olympic class athletes who need to train for international competition.

There is plenty of lead in crops grown for food. This almost entirely comes from human environmental polution. Lead in petrol and from industrial processes was previously a major contributor. Lead shot is also widely use across agricultural land on which crops are grown. Doesn’t take a maths genius to work out how much lead is spread over the land used by a shoot each day of shooting.

Besides the EU is also imposing an EU wide ban on lead shot.
 
Heym SR20 said:
If you read the minister’s reasoning behind the total lead ban, you will find there is very little trust that the shooting community wouldn’t simply use lead cartridges for clay pigeon shooting when shooting wild birds and in places where lead shot couldn’t be recovered and prevented from entering the wider environment.

She cited the continued use of lead in shot wildfowl, despite the prohibition of using lead on wildfowl (in England) and over wetlands (in Scotland).

For this reason there is now a total ban on the sale of lead shot and cartridges loaded with lead shot, save for a very limited derogation for olympic class athletes who need to train for international competition.

There is plenty of lead in crops grown for food. This almost entirely comes from human environmental polution. Lead in petrol and from industrial processes was previously a major contributor. Lead shot is also widely use across agricultural land on which crops are grown. Doesn’t take a maths genius to work out how much lead is spread over the land used by a shoot each day of shooting.

Besides the EU is also imposing an EU wide ban on lead shot.
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I know you are ignoring me but I have to ask, is the EU banning tobacco?
Are there some EU members that allow smoking cannabis?
 
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