Nothing to do with lead. Overfishing at sea, pollution, badly designed fish passes, almost everything but lead,
Lead - EU Reach Meeting/Proposal
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so are you saying crashing salmon numbers are due to lead and specifically lead shot ?
Oh for goodness sake! Really?
I hope you, and everyone else, watches the Channel 4 film Dirty Business. Lead poisoning pales into insignificance in respect of the salmon decline. You are the only person I've ever seen linking salmon decline with lead.
Basically, there are too many of us on the planet, pollution is a result of that. We need a pandemic!
Woodenbeam
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Maybe I should have suggested cancellation of the Beano subscription - Heym SR20 you are really not doing your argument any justice at all
timbrayford
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And plastic shotgun wads too, commonly found in non-lead shot cartridges? https://www.vims.edu/ccrm/_docs/marine_debris/wad_factsheet.pdf
I was of the impression that the numbers crashed after most of the mining stopped and that numbers of these and sea trout were healthy even in some particular polluted mining country rivers.
Spear Chucker
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Horse manure.
Norfolk Deer Search
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I did have to chuckle, I personally am of the opinion that you should let people do what they want to do instead of enforcing your beliefs upon others.
@Hyem SR20 that goes for you too
That gets you know where, I realise that a long time ago when I was voicing my opinions of copper projectiles.
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palmer_mike
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Classic ‘straw man’ argument
Heym SR20
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So rather than just name calling why can’t the “lead causes no harm” provide clear scientific evidence that lead is actually beneficial to humans and other organisms that contradicts all the evidence that supports that lead in any quantity is harmful.
You have had many years to do so, indeed many years the previous Conservative Government launched the consultation to remove lead all ammunition used. Over 11,000 shooters provided response to the consultation but clearly were unable to provide evidence that swayed the opinion of the powers that be.
Heym SR20
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There is a very big difference between sewage pollution and heavy metal pollution. Sewage is hugely damaging in the short term as the biological processes of digesting and breaking down the sewage sucks out oxygen from the water. Given time, and preventing sewage inflows nature will sort out the problem. Besides, much of the water that is provided to the tap in cities such as London is derived from treated sewage.
Heavy metals on the other hand just remain in the system and are passed from one organism to another and ultimately get concentrated in top predators.
If that’s the case why are birds of prey numbers at their highest in years despite the use of lead shot ?
Norfolk Deer Search
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That is a very strong argument
Norfolk Deer Search
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In fact there is no argument against it!That is a very strong argument
Spear Chucker
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What a sensible post.
Spear Chucker
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Mostly as a result of naturally occurring deposits...oh Dear God. I cannot be bothered.
palmer_mike
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it’s not name calling. It’s calling out a well known rhetorical technique.
Heym SR20
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Almost certainly as a result of conservation efforts, gamekeepers no longer shooting them, a much greater extent of natural habitat and far more prey and food provided as a consequence of game shooting ( all the released poults that get taken by BOP) and remains of deer and other vermin left in the countryside.
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