On average are American shooters worse shooters than British shooters?
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My furthest “Offhand” shot was 167 yards, with a big helping of Kentucky windage.
Roe Doe.
Roe Doe.
Rake Aboot
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If you think that’s the case , then either your a crap shot or your rifles ****ed
Just saying that’s all.
MightyPlank
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To be fair he seemed to be the only one with any idea how to shoot well. The ones before him didn't seem to know the basics of marksmanship.
Leec6.5
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You had to mention the P word ago Lower the tone didn’t you!Any US members coming have to check their pistols at the front gate.......
That’s a cracking group off the knee, I’d wager not many on here could do that, me included.
I was going to mention Bow's but not in the same post.You had to mention the P word ago Lower the tone didn’t you!
Heym SR20
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Shooting skills vary hugely and very very much depends on how you learn and what you need. There is a world of difference between typical backwoods hunter who takes his shooting off hand at a buck jumping out of its bed in the middle of the woods as he works his way through. I know German hunters who are deadly on running boar or foxes, yet miss stationary deer that have stalked into on Scottish mountain from a prone position.
Previous generations could shoot with minimal aids, open sights and a pair of binoculars. Todays hunters seem incapable of shooting anything unless they are carry more computing power than a lunar rocket and a full bench rest to support the rifle.
Even in the UK there are huge differences between hunting muntjac in Southern Bluebell woods, to scottish Roe and red deer in highlands. Sika deer are another whole ball game.
And there is a world of difference between taking one shot that counts after a long day in the field - you are cold, wet, not in a perfect position and the only beast you have seen all day is very alert to your presence, but is perfectly positioned to shooting on a range where you have comfortable positions and plenty of time and many warm up shots.
I don’t think it really matters, as long as you appreciate there are differences, know your own skill levels and when it comes to live quarry, shoot within your own limits.
Previous generations could shoot with minimal aids, open sights and a pair of binoculars. Todays hunters seem incapable of shooting anything unless they are carry more computing power than a lunar rocket and a full bench rest to support the rifle.
Even in the UK there are huge differences between hunting muntjac in Southern Bluebell woods, to scottish Roe and red deer in highlands. Sika deer are another whole ball game.
And there is a world of difference between taking one shot that counts after a long day in the field - you are cold, wet, not in a perfect position and the only beast you have seen all day is very alert to your presence, but is perfectly positioned to shooting on a range where you have comfortable positions and plenty of time and many warm up shots.
I don’t think it really matters, as long as you appreciate there are differences, know your own skill levels and when it comes to live quarry, shoot within your own limits.
“a very ethical kill”
timbrayford
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Whatever people might think about US shooting skills so far they, or the lack of them, has been excellent news for President Trump.
Perhaps another difference is the attitude to ammunition. I want every round I shoot to be released as well as possible and to give me reliable information - and, where relevant, meat for the table or vermin for disposal. It's probably just YouTube exaggerating the contrast, but the UK/EU and the USA seem to hold different views about why we pull the trigger.
I suppose there are two reasons 1. lack of training time at 100 2. some shooters simply get cocky but it don't take much to mess up , it only requires a slight wind change
Dress it up all you like, but from what people practice in the USA (and some will be rifle shooters)
Chucking a pen raised pheasant out of a tower is p@@s poor, no wonder there are differences and best they stay in the USA
Click on "watch on youtube"
Or
Month of Acorns?
Leec6.5
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In English MOA means 1” give or take a gnats cock!
enfieldspares
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Pyramids! The same as in football or cricket or whatever else. The greater the number of bricks (or here people) that form the pyramid the tall it is bit also the wider its base. Here in the UK ownership of firearms is controlled.
Thus you will only get people who had likely jumped through a series of hoops to be granted and FAC to then acquire a rifle. That hoop might be membership of a target shooting club, or proof of access and enjoyment of stalking. In both cases that means that the would be buyer of a rifle has at some time at least pulled trigger and shown some sort of proficiency and/or knowledge of safe handling.
This means that although the pyramid is lesser in size its base is also not so wide. Thus the wanna be or would be or "I've see one on the TV and I now want one" rifle owner who can simply on a whim buy a rifle with no experience doesn't exist in UK with s1 rifles. It still does with air rifles.
So yes there will be a lot more rifle shooters in the USA who maybe are not as accurate (but then so what if you can shoot into three inches at one hundred yards to fill you annual "deer tag" with your Walmart Remington Model 7) as we like toi claim in the UK.
So do I care? No. Can I shoot accurately? Yes. In my pomp I could and have in front of others put three shots into a cloverleaf at one hundred yards with an iron sighted BRNO ZKK-600 but what really I should ask is can I shoot adequately.
And that for deer is sub three inches at one hundred yards if that is only ever what I need to do. I had heard of "gun snobs" now it seems there are "size of group snobs"?
Thus you will only get people who had likely jumped through a series of hoops to be granted and FAC to then acquire a rifle. That hoop might be membership of a target shooting club, or proof of access and enjoyment of stalking. In both cases that means that the would be buyer of a rifle has at some time at least pulled trigger and shown some sort of proficiency and/or knowledge of safe handling.
This means that although the pyramid is lesser in size its base is also not so wide. Thus the wanna be or would be or "I've see one on the TV and I now want one" rifle owner who can simply on a whim buy a rifle with no experience doesn't exist in UK with s1 rifles. It still does with air rifles.
So yes there will be a lot more rifle shooters in the USA who maybe are not as accurate (but then so what if you can shoot into three inches at one hundred yards to fill you annual "deer tag" with your Walmart Remington Model 7) as we like toi claim in the UK.
So do I care? No. Can I shoot accurately? Yes. In my pomp I could and have in front of others put three shots into a cloverleaf at one hundred yards with an iron sighted BRNO ZKK-600 but what really I should ask is can I shoot adequately.
And that for deer is sub three inches at one hundred yards if that is only ever what I need to do. I had heard of "gun snobs" now it seems there are "size of group snobs"?
Only at 100 yards...
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