162 a max

[www.yorkshireroestalking.]

Guns like ours were designed for "long range", I have no real issues with it, just don't call it stalking.
If perhaps you had been clearer with your opening post saying you fired 50 rounds then the cost thing could be an issue.
My point is I have found many bullets shoot very close to zero and if it can be done why not have a target round and a hunting round, and if your scope has dail in turrets its no probs anyway. Dail the zero in for that bullet and shoot it.
ATB john

 

[RPA 6MM BR]

I agree with what you are trying to say John, however i can also see the views of the people here who love the A-Max, having used it through my 7mm Rem Mag at 3090fps it shoots superbly and there is no way on earth a Partition with a beaten up nose will shoot as well, especially at range, period! They do NOT blow up and bugger up the carcase and they do NOT go through like a knitting needle like the Match bullets that everyone is associating them with do, they are very effective at all ranges. But at the end of the day its down to the individual to decide what to put down range.

 

[Double four]

I have a friend whos day job is culling deer, A max is his projectile of choice through a .260, i was a bit sceptical at first with it being foremost a target head but having seen his results first hand i must say they do the job no question.
He came over to my place and shot a roe through the ribs one morning , when i got home and hung it up i had a good look at the damage and was quite suprised at the lack of it.

There is a lot of pish talked about certain pojectiles on here by people who have probably not even seen one never mind actually got off the net and shot a deer with one.
Im certainly no expert by any means but if i doubt something i read on here, i test it or see the results for myself only then can you give an informed oppinion. DF

 

[Thar]

I have been following this post with interest, and quite frankly some of the posts are ill informed IMO.

I have sectioned an A-Max and a SST, the jacket thickness and depth of the hollow points are identical, as these are the primary components that control the level of expansion of any bullet then it would be reasonable to expect them both to behave similarly. See photo.

Some people are confusing firearms law with the Deer act, and the legislation in Scotland and England/Wales.

A-Max’s are not Section 5, this is because they were not,and this is the important word, designed as an expanding projectiles. The fact that they do expand does not make themsection 5, it is the design intent that counts.

As per deer law, in England the projectile has to be either a soft point or a hollow point projectile (a BT is a hollow point; the cavity just has been filled with polymer tip). Only in Scottish legislation do the words “expand in a predicable manner” come into play.

The fact the A-Max is being used all over the world successfully on game has to be considered.

The weight of the bullet is also a factor in its expansion.

The factor of cost really should not come into the equation of your bullet choice for deer, as others have said, but if you find a particular A-Max bullet that suit your purpose better than any other bullet then ethnically I don’t have an issue, legally in England and Wales I can find nothing in the legislation that stops you from using them, in Scotland it might be a bit of a grey area. Although I am sure the prosecution would have a hard time proving their case if it came to that.

ATB

Tahr

 

[RPA 6MM BR]

I have a friend whos day job is culling deer, A max is his projectile of choice through a .260, i was a bit sceptical at first with it being foremost a target head but having seen his results first hand i must say they do the job no question.
He came over to my place and shot a roe through the ribs one morning , when i got home and hung it up i had a good look at the damage and was quite suprised at the lack of it.

There is a lot of pish talked about certain pojectiles on here by people who have probably not even seen one never mind actually got off the net and shot a deer with one.
Im certainly no expert by any means but if i doubt something i read on here, i test it or see the results for myself only then can you give an informed oppinion. DF

My point exactly DF, 99% of the people on here who are knocking the A-Max have never ever used one, i know perhaps its a grey area with the bullet being a so called match bullet but they should stop posting about the massive damage and the non expanding qualities of the bullet until they have got the relevant knowledge! Now the Sierra match kings etc are a totally different ball game and they do NOT expand at all and are a definate NO NO.

 

[wraith]

I have been following this post with interest, and quite frankly some of the posts are ill informed IMO.

I have sectioned an A-Max and a SST, the jacket thickness and depth of the hollow points are identical, as these are the primary components that control the level of expansion of any bullet then it would be reasonable to expect them both to behave similarly. See photo.

Some people are confusing firearms law with the Deer act, and the legislation in Scotland and England/Wales.

A-Max’s are not Section 5, this is because they were not,and this is the important word, designed as an expanding projectiles. The fact that they do expand does not make themsection 5, it is the design intent that counts.

As per deer law, in England the projectile has to be either a soft point or a hollow point projectile (a BT is a hollow point; the cavity just has been filled with polymer tip). Only in Scottish legislation do the words “expand in a predicable manner” come into play.

The fact the A-Max is being used all over the world successfully on game has to be considered.

The weight of the bullet is also a factor in its expansion.

The factor of cost really should not come into the equation of your bullet choice for deer, as others have said, but if you find a particular A-Max bullet that suit your purpose better than any other bullet then ethnically I don’t have an issue, legally in England and Wales I can find nothing in the legislation that stops you from using them, in Scotland it might be a bit of a grey area. Although I am sure the prosecution would have a hard time proving their case if it came to that.

ATB

Tahr

the one on the left looks like it would expand further down and mushroom more than the one on the right with the hevier bottom

 

[Thar]

the one on the left looks like it would expand further down and mushroom more than the one on the right with the hevier bottom

You are not seeing the bottom of the bullets in that photo; if you look carefully you will see a piece of paper covering the bottom of both bullets.
So which is the SST and which is the A-Max? If you know your bullets you can work it out. But I assure you that the jackets and size of hollow point are the same, don’t take my word for it section a couple yourself.

ATB

Tahr.

 

[www.yorkshireroestalking.]

You are not seeing the bottom of the bullets in that photo; if you look carefully you will see a piece of paper covering the bottom of both bullets.
So which is the SST and which is the A-Max? If you know your bullets you can work it out. But I assure you that the jackets and size of hollow point are the same, don’t take my word for it section a couple yourself.

ATB

Tahr.

thats fine but have you measured the antimony as this has a bearing on expansion.
though i don't doubt your word that they do expand well.
like I said they are designed as a long range match bullet. something like a sierra gameking hollow point should be a very good long range bullet and is designed for hunting.
sst's and B.tips all work well at range.
why even try a match bullet?
So what if in the first instance it didn't work at range is that deer allowed to suffer?, why risk it in the first place?.
Not calling names here, just don't understand the thinking behind it when there are bullets DESIGNED, MARKETED and PROVEN to do the job by the manufacturers who have researched, tested and redsigned them to get near perfect bullets for the job.

 

[The Farmer]

SST on right i would say

You are not seeing the bottom of the bullets in that photo; if you look carefully you will see a piece of paper covering the bottom of both bullets.
So which is the SST and which is the A-Max? If you know your bullets you can work it out. But I assure you that the jackets and size of hollow point are the same, don’t take my word for it section a couple yourself.

ATB

Tahr.

 

[www.yorkshireroestalking.]

The one on the right has a cannerlure.
so I looked it up on the hornady web site.
so that must be the sst.
read what they say on there about the amax.
http://www.hornady.com/bullets

 

[Brithunter]

Hornady had problems witht he first A-Max bullets. I brought some to try out through a 7.62x51 No4 Conversion (Lee Enfield) and when I opened the box more than half had the tips broken off. I e-mailed Hornady who sent me a replacement box by post from the US............................. Now that is customer service.

 

[kennyc]

I think a lot of people are missing the point here, it doesn't matter if the Amax is a perfect deer bullet, there are hundreds if not thousands of target shooters who use Amax some of whom may at any one time stock thousands of bullets, who would be very effected by the reclassification of the Amax as an expanding S5 bullet, and all it might take to bring that about is one person using that expansion as a defence in a prosecution, not very likely I agree, but considering the shitstorm brought about by just one person bringing the matter up at a meeting recently do we really want to slap that hornets nest? are people saying that there are occasions when nothing other than an Amax will do ? or is it just some perverse wish to "stick it to the man" ? if you want to use the damn things please go ahead, but please don't ruin other peoples sport by parading the fact!

 

[MountainStalker2]

The reality is they are used as a dual purpose pill. A quick google will confirm utility in both applications and thousands of shooters are using them successfully for both purposes. UK firearms laws are what you operate under regardless of the logic behind them.