.22 hornet

[Smellydog]

thats just plain experiance and the simple fact of the HMR bullet having a considrably thinner jacket and bond ( because otherwise it might not expand at all once you where out past 100 yards , simple terminal effect balistics that Buddy

Can you please submit your source of information on HMR using a thinner jacket and different "bond", what ever that is , please?

 

[Smellydog]

heck fools still say the HMR breaks up and doesnt ricochet , it cerainly can ricochet but it can also bust appart on a hares head , it just depends on the bullet and what it hits and where at what angle .

Have you just contradicted yourself there?

 

[Smellydog]

What we are talking is an " unreliable " terminal lythality and marketing folks and salesmen trying to hit "fiscal targets "

Please, what is lythality?

 

[Smellydog]

Hope this helps you understand why HMR is actually a failed project , though it might be of use to some folks like those who cannot get a small cf grant yet to deal with stuff out of the HMR window

How is it a failed project? It's still for sale and ammunition available.
I could get a a small 22 center fire grant by the end of the month. Don't need to though. The HMR is doing fine.
You sir are forgetting to factor your rifle into your experience and simply lashing out on the cartridge despite the hundreds of users finding success.
Failed my arse.
100 yards.
90yds

 

[Bo Diddley]

 

[User00036]

How is it a failed project? It's still for sale and ammunition available.
I could get a a small 22 center fire grant by the end of the month. Don't need to though. The HMR is doing fine.
You sir are forgetting to factor your rifle into your experience and simply lashing out on the cartridge despite the hundreds of users finding success.
Failed my arse.
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90yds
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Speckle Eared Fox, like it.

 

[Smellydog]

180 yard crow HMR.

 

[Bowland blades]

Can you please submit your source of information on HMR using a thinner jacket and different "bond", what ever that is , please?

simple common knoledge that you cannot send a bullet designed to run in a fast twist barrel at a high velocity and in the .17 calibre group of cartriges the velocity will hit silly fast and that bullet will need a faster twist to deal with its longer length ! Likewise if your going to send a .17 bullet as slow as the HMR for it to expand its going to need all the help it can get hence a thin jacket and a very weak bond of jacket and core, put that bullet in a hmr and effectively down range you will be shooting a bullet that wont expand , ( all bullets have a velocity range they perform in ) The manufacturer will often note this or list bullets for say the ,22 hornet and a different one that looks like its twin for faster cartrige use . As the HMR is not reloadable and its sedate speed , the way to demo this would be pull that little hmr pill and put it in a fast 17 shooting at say 4000 fps , centifugal force would tear some appart in flight let alone splash wound

 

[Bowland blades]

How is it a failed project? It's still for sale and ammunition available.
I could get a a small 22 center fire grant by the end of the month. Don't need to though. The HMR is doing fine.
You sir are forgetting to factor your rifle into your experience and simply lashing out on the cartridge despite the hundreds of users finding success.
Failed my arse.
100 yards.View attachment 280207
90yds
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The goal was to take the market share the .22 lr held , it failed ! This was the route to the split cases and accidents that got keepers on some big estates their HMR rifles collected by the employers . The Dutchy on lancaster Estates had this . Ok split cases and those accidents got sorted but thats what happens when you try and cheap out in production .

 

[Bowland blades]

Have you just contradicted yourself there?

Nope you missed the fact that there is a massive difference between 30 yard bullet performance and 200 yard bullet performance regards expansion in a hmr . The effect BC has overall is ability to retain velocity , the HMR starts off fast for a RF but real slow for a cf reaches a more distant target at a slow velocity because 1. it didnt start fast in comparison to cf ( 22 hornet and 22 bee CF both run around 2700-3000 fps) 2. because 17 hmr bullets have a terrible BC ( it slows down in " a short window)

 

[Bowland blades]

This is a rather dead ended conversation ( pun not intended) . I do not think it a good use of time to argue points , though its rude to ignore questions posed to me . The facts are i have used and owned lots of different rifles in the field on quarry for many decades including the HMR , its a rifle that is viable to many peoples uses , especially those who likely havent got reason enough to aquire a cf yet wish to shoot a tad further out . Personally i shoot to around 150 when conditions allow with 22 rf and 40 grain cci velocitors but mainly the 22 hornet fills the slot for rabbits , denning , lamping or just opertunity foxes, crows . I no longer shoot hares as i like to have them about and they do little damage until new hedges are newly planted ( they nip the growing bud off unfortunately ) .
I suggest you DM me if you need anything else clarifying, i have answered all that you asked and quoted . If you do not think i am right , fine ! I really don't see a need to answer more but if your struggling to get something DM me

 

[Smellydog]

simple common knoledge that you cannot send a bullet designed to run in a fast twist barrel at a high velocity and in the .17 calibre group of cartriges the velocity will hit silly fast and that bullet will need a faster twist to deal with its longer length ! Likewise if your going to send a .17 bullet as slow as the HMR for it to expand its going to need all the help it can get hence a thin jacket and a very weak bond of jacket and core, put that bullet in a hmr and effectively down range you will be shooting a bullet that wont expand , ( all bullets have a velocity range they perform in ) The manufacturer will often note this or list bullets for say the ,22 hornet and a different one that looks like its twin for faster cartrige use . As the HMR is not reloadable and its sedate speed , the way to demo this would be pull that little hmr pill and put it in a fast 17 shooting at say 4000 fps , centifugal force would tear some appart in flight let alone splash wound

So I guess you have no in depth scientific study into the threshold of a 17 bullet taken from a HMR cartridge and accelerated beyond it design parameters.
Who said a 17 HMR bullet has a bonded core please?

 

[Smellydog]

The goal was to take the market share the .22 lr held , it failed ! This was the route to the split cases and accidents that got keepers on some big estates their HMR rifles collected by the employers . The Dutchy on lancaster Estates had this . Ok split cases and those accidents got sorted but thats what happens when you try and cheap out in production .

Please submit a statement supplied by Hornady stating their goal via the HMR was to undermine the 22 rimfire round?

 

[Smellydog]

Nope you missed the fact that there is a massive difference between 30 yard bullet performance and 200 yard bullet performance regards expansion in a hmr . The effect BC has overall is ability to retain velocity , the HMR starts off fast for a RF but real slow for a cf reaches a more distant target at a slow velocity because 1. it didnt start fast in comparison to cf ( 22 hornet and 22 bee CF both run around 2700-3000 fps) 2. because 17 hmr bullets have a terrible BC ( it slows down in " a short window)

I did not miss any fact thank you. Please refrain from presumptuousness.
You did in fact in writing contradict yourself.
I'm ok if you can't cope with that.

 

[Smellydog]

This is a rather dead ended conversation ( pun not intended) . I do not think it a good use of time to argue points , though its rude to ignore questions posed to me . The facts are i have used and owned lots of different rifles in the field on quarry for many decades including the HMR , its a rifle that is viable to many peoples uses , especially those who likely havent got reason enough to aquire a cf yet wish to shoot a tad further out . Personally i shoot to around 150 when conditions allow with 22 rf and 40 grain cci velocitors but mainly the 22 hornet fills the slot for rabbits , denning , lamping or just opertunity foxes, crows . I no longer shoot hares as i like to have them about and they do little damage until new hedges are newly planted ( they nip the growing bud off unfortunately ) .
I suggest you DM me if you need anything else clarifying, i have answered all that you asked and quoted . If you do not think i am right , fine ! I really don't see a need to answer more but if your struggling to get something DM me

Nope sorry, you have not answered any of my questions, in fact, I think you just contradicted yourself again .
My conclusion in this discussion is that I now think you are convinced you think you know what you are talking about.
Cheers

 

[Bowland blades]

I did not miss any fact thank you. Please refrain from presumptuousness.
You did in fact in writing contradict yourself.
I'm ok if you can't cope with that.

listen i am not here to argue i will because you seem to have missed the " DM me " bit mention this again . its not good for the forum , these things are known by those of us who have been shooting many , many years , before the HMR was even designed . Hornady have rights to the HMR cartridge no matter who makes it they have to be paid a cut

 

[Smellydog]

listen i am not here to argue i will because you seem to have missed the " DM me " bit mention this again . its not good for the forum , these things are known by those of us who have been shooting many , many years , before the HMR was even designed . Hornady have rights to the HMR cartridge no matter who makes it they have to be paid a cut

Why? How long do you think I've been shooting rifles? Last week?
You made statements openly, do I not have the right to openly ask for clarification? I have not asked of you anything compromising at all.

Either you can supply credentials to your statements or just admit it is all opinion based.
After all I'm sure you would not wish to mislead anyone publicly!

 

[Bowland blades]

Why? How long do you think I've been shooting rifles? Last week?
You made statements openly, do I not have the right to openly ask for clarification? I have not asked of you anything compromising at all.

Either you can supply credentials to your statements or just admit it is all opinion based.
After all I'm sure you would not wish to mislead anyone publicly!

ok i have a better answer as there is a button to fix this

 

[Heym SR20]

For when a single barreled 22 Hornet will not do, and you want a double there is a double 22 Hornet for sale in the latest Holts Auction, with a spare set of 410 barrels.



HOLTS Auctioneers

 

[Fox Red]

Just got back from a nice little session with my 22 Hornet