I tried the quiets out of my anschutz a couple of weeks back, and albeit quiet they wouldn’t group for toffee.
Cci hp segmented are the ones that group best for me and thankfully I bought plenty.
22lr Subsonic ammo
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Cci hp segmented are the ones that group best for me and thankfully I bought plenty.
Oh dear - I have several boxes of those to try
Squirrelbasher
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I have tried them Alan. Being 40 grain they have a loopy trajectory and I didn’t get good results beyond about 25-30 yards. I prefer the 29/30 grain cb longs. I used to use Remington cbees, 33 grain hollowpoint at 40-45ft lbs but I don’t see them anymore. They did expand well too, like a Yellowjacket bullet with splits cut into the ogive to aid expansion at the lower velocity. I think they were about 800 fps? Just wish I could still get them.
It’s not the weather with this current CCI problem.This is an age old problem. Some batches seem to worse than others and it affects a multitude of brands.
The problems are 2-fold really ... The speed if sound is not a constant. For instance, different levels of humidity will affect it one way or another as will other factors.
Manufacturers seem to like to keep their 'Sub-sonic' ammo running pretty close to the lower variable of the speed of sound for maximum performance. The tiniest variation in loading will pop the bullet out faster than Mach 1. (Speak to any home-loader to find out how even the tiniest variations in load affect ballistics)
So ... we have non perfect loads operating at close to Mach 1 for the best part, but high humidity and small variations in loading will lead to some of that ammo producing super-sonic bullets.
It wouldn't happen in a perfect world, but since when did we live in one of those ?
I did extensive testing from mid-winter to high-summer to prove that some rounds in each box were way over-charged, at a frequency of 1 in every 4-5 on average.
Chrono data and printed targets used to demonstrate the effect on accuracy (woeful), with a direct comparison to the same round from older pre-Covid batches. I use subsonic rimfire for pest control at further ranges than most, the unreliability of the 2020 / 21 batches of ammo was so poor it was literally useless.
I succeeded in getting CCI (Vista) to send me a USD cheque to refund my purchase.
UpNorthMI
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I've stopped buying US brands of .22lr sub sonic, the quality and consistancy is just not there and has not been there for some time. In the US .22lr sub sonic is a very small segment of the market, there is just about no ammo in the stores or available online, people buy up what ever is available. I'm sure the producers are trying to increase production and cannot get the staff to support operations. Not a good receipe for quality. Luckily I purchased a lot of RWS, Eley or even Aguila sub sonic in the past for personal use. Let's hope the supply of ammunition gets better.
Reloader708
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I'm thinking of giving up on the .22 rimfire; always used winchester but the new stuff in the small boxes are the worst LR bullets I've ever used. Lots of them were mangled, I took them back the the dealer and he swapped them for some cci.
I wondered if with the huge world wide demand for ammunition quality control had taken a dive?
I wondered if with the huge world wide demand for ammunition quality control had taken a dive?
Smellydog
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I sold my 22 a few months ago. Not missed at all. The hmr that replaced it misses less and has more reach.
If I want quiet the air rifle comes out.
Squirrelbasher
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Try sk or rws.
Squirrelbasher
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Yerr, they’re generally good. Some not so good batches have probably been available on occasion, but personally I’ve never had any rws that I’d say were poor. I think they’re one of the more reliably consistent brands.
flatliner
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Yes, I've moved to SK Rifle Match,£5 a box very consistent and kills rabbits just the same
Len the dog
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When I acquired my .22 CZ 452 I tried quite a lot of different ammo, finally settled on Eley subs which it absolutely loves. Out of interest I tried Eley Tenex & Match and found that the Tenex were ever so slightly tighter grouping, but twice the price. The fractional gain in accuracy really wasn’t worth the premium price.
I also tried some RWS match ammo but the rifle just didn’t like it.
I did find that the Eley subs had a different POI between different batches so I bought a pack of 500 of the same batch, whether this is typical across brands I couldn’t say.
I also tried some RWS match ammo but the rifle just didn’t like it.
I did find that the Eley subs had a different POI between different batches so I bought a pack of 500 of the same batch, whether this is typical across brands I couldn’t say.
Squirrelbasher
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Absolutely, I use sk standard plus, rifle match, pistol match etc. Depends what’s in stock and best price. I find it very accurate and consistent. I used to use the sk subsonic hollow points but can’t get them now. I currently have some sk high velocity hollow point which were at the bargain price of £5:40 per 100 iirc. They too are very accurate, if a little noisy. Never had anything but good consistency and accuracy from sk.
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