.30-06 Copper head advice
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AMoorlen
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Thinking about it I'm sure I got a Virtus Precision sticker off James when I did my DSC1, so maybe he stocks them as well? Will give them a shout they are only an hour away.
AMoorlen
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Yes I'm sure it'll be fine, just trying to find projectiles to mess about with to find what I want to use going forward
Swedish
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Hi,
If not too late, please email Virtus. We have 125,140,150,155 and 180GR projectiles in 30Cal with three types of terminal performances depending on your needs. We can also direct you on load data and all our projectiles will soon be on the QuickLoad data base to help with working up some loads.
AMoorlen
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That would have to be an extremely small fox for its head to fit down your barrel. The only way I could see it being possible would be if you were to use an unborn foxes head, but that’s getting very strange. Why not just use some rws evolution green lead free bullets, they shoot realy well in my .30-06 schultz and larsen 150gr
Kindest regards, Olaf
AMoorlen
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I've only ever heard that they are incredibly messy bullets them RWS
Smellydog
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Bullets, the head holds the primer or do you mean war head? You going to war?
I wonder why folk have an issue saying bullet.
But at the same time have no issues calling a bullet a head?
I always associate head as being on a mammals shoulders.
Or in some lands where you take a dump.
There is also I believe an association with a sexual act of which I have no experience but
I have always only ever known a bullet as, well, a bullet, the projectile part of a loaded cartridge for rifles or something loaded in the muzzle of a muzzleloader rifle and rammed down to the breech.
I wonder why folk have an issue saying bullet.
But at the same time have no issues calling a bullet a head?
I always associate head as being on a mammals shoulders.
Or in some lands where you take a dump.
There is also I believe an association with a sexual act of which I have no experience but
I have always only ever known a bullet as, well, a bullet, the projectile part of a loaded cartridge for rifles or something loaded in the muzzle of a muzzleloader rifle and rammed down to the breech.
No, not in my experience, they perform very well, similar to a cup and core lead bullet. The evo green rws is just a copper jacket with a tin filling and an expansion point on the melplat.
Rws do a whole range of different lead free bullets, the evolution green is one of the higher expansion bullets designed to be used at slightly longer ranges ( hence the boat tail shape) I believe from memory they do another bullet that’s softer, designed for closer range driven game situations where stopping power is more of a concern owing to the nature of the situation.
I’ve found that from 60 to 200m ( I’ve just not shot them beyond 200m on game yet) the rws evo green works extremely well with no unnecessary mess being created , I’m pretty sure they will work well out past the 200m mark . Hence why I use them.
Kindest regards, Olaf
wellywoodie
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Hi
You can order direct off Virtus, I use in my 6.5 and 7mm for deer, shoot really well and have fantastic stopping power
Yes sir. You can order direct from our website. Please send us an email if you would like to discuss the specifics before you order so you get the best results.
Kind regards,
Virtus Precision.
Could you please explain why your bullets, from what I can learn from your website, out perform Rws evo or other duo or treimetal bullets?
Kindest regards, Olaf
Calling Bullets, heads 
If find it quite sad in a way, this dumbing down and use of descriptive words rather than proper nouns.
I don't think it's stupid I believe it's ignorance (as in, lack of knowledge or information) it only becomes stupidity after the information and knowlege has become readily available and use continues.
Other disagree with me on that and think it's 'clever' to use a descriptive word cos 'they know' what it means and so does their clique.
Are people not taught grammar any more and the 'use of words'? Those that use the term 'head' are often 'taught' that this is the right term to use by resellers and even members of what is a technically orientated and source of knowledge, this group/forum.
Perhaps it has also been brought to the front by American films when the hero asks for more 'bullets' when he actually need more 'rounds (of ammunition)'.
I've never heard any member of the forces use that term in reality, it's always been 'rounds'.
Bullet has then become synonymous with a round of ammunition and the need for the word 'head' has evolved from that.
It's mainly come from resellers who don't need to educate their staff and avoids a waste of time at the point of sale.
Evolving is good, evolving from a start point that's fundamentaly wrong, isn't good at all.
We (as in the group/forum) hit a new low recently (IMO) when a member was selling 'Heads' and 'Tubes' and this was actively supported by the owners/moderators (yes, some of you will be glad to hear, I got my post removed and 10 schlaaps to the back of my head, twice ...)
What next, 'tube bottom separation' ?
Pointy heads ?
Metal heads (well they're not lead are they) with a ring round their middle.
30cal tubes ?
The flingy thing on the bolt, you know, the tube chucker ...
Learning the proper noun isn't that hard and helps everyone. The explainer to explain in a precise and understandable way and the listener to comprehend what is going on.
Made up/descriptive words only serves to exhibit lack of knowlege which isn't wrong, or bad, the first or second time, but after that's been pointed out (as it typically always is, either directly or subtely) to continue does show a lack of respect.
After all those who are relating the error are typically trying to educate, some directly (you mean Bullets ? - Bullets, the head holds the primer or do you mean war head? You going to war?) and some indirectly (That would have to be an extremely small fox for its head to fit down your barrel - I always associate head as being on a mammals shoulders - Projectiles ?).
If find it quite sad in a way, this dumbing down and use of descriptive words rather than proper nouns.
I don't think it's stupid I believe it's ignorance (as in, lack of knowledge or information) it only becomes stupidity after the information and knowlege has become readily available and use continues.
Other disagree with me on that and think it's 'clever' to use a descriptive word cos 'they know' what it means and so does their clique.
Are people not taught grammar any more and the 'use of words'? Those that use the term 'head' are often 'taught' that this is the right term to use by resellers and even members of what is a technically orientated and source of knowledge, this group/forum.
Perhaps it has also been brought to the front by American films when the hero asks for more 'bullets' when he actually need more 'rounds (of ammunition)'.
I've never heard any member of the forces use that term in reality, it's always been 'rounds'.
Bullet has then become synonymous with a round of ammunition and the need for the word 'head' has evolved from that.
It's mainly come from resellers who don't need to educate their staff and avoids a waste of time at the point of sale.
Evolving is good, evolving from a start point that's fundamentaly wrong, isn't good at all.
We (as in the group/forum) hit a new low recently (IMO) when a member was selling 'Heads' and 'Tubes' and this was actively supported by the owners/moderators (yes, some of you will be glad to hear, I got my post removed and 10 schlaaps to the back of my head, twice ...)
What next, 'tube bottom separation' ?
Pointy heads ?
Metal heads (well they're not lead are they) with a ring round their middle.
30cal tubes ?
The flingy thing on the bolt, you know, the tube chucker ...
Learning the proper noun isn't that hard and helps everyone. The explainer to explain in a precise and understandable way and the listener to comprehend what is going on.
Made up/descriptive words only serves to exhibit lack of knowlege which isn't wrong, or bad, the first or second time, but after that's been pointed out (as it typically always is, either directly or subtely) to continue does show a lack of respect.
After all those who are relating the error are typically trying to educate, some directly (you mean Bullets ? - Bullets, the head holds the primer or do you mean war head? You going to war?) and some indirectly (That would have to be an extremely small fox for its head to fit down your barrel - I always associate head as being on a mammals shoulders - Projectiles ?).
Smellydog
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That's brilliant.Calling Bullets, heads
If find it quite sad in a way, this dumbing down and use of descriptive words rather than proper nouns.
I don't think it's stupid I believe it's ignorance (as in, lack of knowledge or information) it only becomes stupidity after the information and knowlege has become readily available and use continues.
Other disagree with me on that and think it's 'clever' to use a descriptive word cos 'they know' what it means and so does their clique.
Are people not taught grammar any more and the 'use of words'? Those that use the term 'head' are often 'taught' that this is the right term to use by resellers and even members of what is a technically orientated and source of knowledge, this group/forum.
Perhaps it has also been brought to the front by American films when the hero asks for more 'bullets' when he actually need more 'rounds (of ammunition)'.
I've never heard any member of the forces use that term in reality, it's always been 'rounds'.
Bullet has then become synonymous with a round of ammunition and the need for the word 'head' has evolved from that.
It's mainly come from resellers who don't need to educate their staff and avoids a waste of time at the point of sale.
Evolving is good, evolving from a start point that's fundamentaly wrong, isn't good at all.
We (as in the group/forum) hit a new low recently (IMO) when a member was selling 'Heads' and 'Tubes' and this was actively supported by the owners/moderators (yes, some of you will be glad to hear, I got my post removed and 10 schlaaps to the back of my head, twice ...)
What next, 'tube bottom separation' ?
Pointy heads ?
Metal heads (well they're not lead are they) with a ring round their middle.
30cal tubes ?
The flingy thing on the bolt, you know, the tube chucker ...
Learning the proper noun isn't that hard and helps everyone. The explainer to explain in a precise and understandable way and the listener to comprehend what is going on.
Made up/descriptive words only serves to exhibit lack of knowlege which isn't wrong, or bad, the first or second time, but after that's been pointed out (as it typically always is, either directly or subtely) to continue does show a lack of respect.
After all those who are relating the error are typically trying to educate, some directly (you mean Bullets ? - Bullets, the head holds the primer or do you mean war head? You going to war?) and some indirectly (That would have to be an extremely small fox for its head to fit down your barrel - I always associate head as being on a mammals shoulders - Projectiles ?).
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Heym SR20
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Haven’t read the website. But Bullets like the Evo which use a zinc, tin or other non lead fragmenting core are in many ways no better than a lead core.
You still have the fundamental problem of the bullet fragmenting inside the carcass send fragments of metal throughout the carcass. This still leaves plenty of meat contaminated with metal fragments that are too small to be seen with naked eye, thus unlikely to be removed and will end up in food products.
Monolithic bullets such as the Barnes, RWS HIT etc work by openIng up but remaining in one piece. They cause damage by cutting their way through the animal, but retaining 99% of their mass.
Most of the cored bullets loose a large proportion of their mass as they go through, especially if they hit any solid bone.
A good friend tried the Geco Zero in 7x57. Deer looked they had been hit with an explosive 20mm cannon bullet. He stopped using them.
I suspect different brands and designs will act differently. But I think they are there for hunters who only want to use a cored bullet, or perhaps its manufacturers trying to find use for their traditional bullet manufacturing lines.
But I would ask the question of whats the point of the complexity of making a multicored bonded type bullet, when a solid piece of copper alloy can easily be turned into a highly effective bullet that is accurate, penetrates and damages all the vitals, doesn’t cause huge meat damage and doesn’t contaminate the meat with metal fragments.
The material density argument doesn’t hold water either. Both Tin and Zinc are less dense than lead. And monolithic copper bullets are being used to shoot game out as far as we can reliably hit animals.
Now that the monolithic technology is well understood there are plenty of different options. Just looking through RWS site - they have just released their “Driven Hunt” which is round nosed, with a large hollow point, with the round nose plug acting to initiate expansion. It is designed to rapidly dump all its energy at close range but remain in one piece with an exit. Looks very much like Peregrine Bush Master which is being used in African bush on big game.
As for low velocity- have a look at videos of the 8.6 Blackout - 300gn monolithic at subsonic velocities being used on the likes of buffalo.
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