Wanted: 300 WSM Rifle WANTED or 300 Magnum

[Brave Echo Niner]

It's not really any more efficient, nor necessarily more accurate.
The 300 Win Mag is used a lot by lost military and police units, not so the WSM.
Brass is more readily available for 300 Win Mag, and if you're in any gunshop anywhere in the world, you are highly likely to be able to purchase 300 Win Mag brass. There's not even much of an argument for worrying about the shoulder on the 300 Win Mag moving forward, if you reload with the correct dies.

Police and Military are also often now moving away from the WM in favour of the .338 Lap and .300NM.

The WM is an old design, and now the WSM is increasingly taking over in the 'Standard Magnum' range, with the PRC or the NM taking over in the 'Large magnum' field.

 

[Saracen666]

Police and Military are also often now moving away from the WM in favour of the .338 Lap and .300NM.

The WM is an old design, and now the WSM is increasingly taking over in the 'Standard Magnum' range, with the PRC or the NM taking over in the 'Large magnum' field.

It's not. The 300 Win Mag has pretty much taken over the 7.62 NATO, as a baseline rifle and is used by most countries Marines, police snipers etc. The 338 LM, 416 CheyTac, and 50 Cal, are used above this baseline. Very few people use 300 WSM, but are more likely to use 300 PRC, if they're not using the 300 Win Mag.
By all means get any 300 configuration you like, by there are more disadvantages to a 300 WSM, than the 300 Win Mag.
I've owned a, 300 Win Mag for.
The 300 Win Mag has a greater case capacity than the 300 WSM, the recoil difference isn't noticeable.
My 300 Win Mag has a fast twist barrel, and I use 245 grain projectiles, though with its original 1/10 twist, it would shoot up to 220 grain projectiles veey well.
Arguments about the shorter neck on the 300 Win Mag being a, disadvantage, are utter BS in the real world.

 

[Brave Echo Niner]

It's not. The 300 Win Mag has pretty much taken over the 7.62 NATO, as a baseline rifle and is used by most countries Marines, police snipers etc. The 338 LM, 416 CheyTac, and 50 Cal, are used above this baseline. Very few people use 300 WSM, but are more likely to use 300 PRC, if they're not using the 300 Win Mag.
By all means get any 300 configuration you like, by there are more disadvantages to a 300 WSM, than the 300 Win Mag.
I've owned a, 300 Win Mag for.
The 300 Win Mag has a greater case capacity than the 300 WSM, the recoil difference isn't noticeable.
My 300 Win Mag has a fast twist barrel, and I use 245 grain projectiles, though with its original 1/10 twist, it would shoot up to 220 grain projectiles veey well.
Arguments about the shorter neck on the 300 Win Mag being a, disadvantage, are utter BS in the real world.

All the new/next gen sniper contracts military wise, UK and US are for .300NM, .338 Norma Mag, .338 Lap Mag etc.

I promise you they are not keeping Win Mag around. Have a look at PROJECT SHAMER and the US Military MK22 Contract if you don't believe me.

 

[Saracen666]

All the new/next gen sniper contracts military wise, UK and US are for .300NM, .338 Norma Mag, .338 Lap Mag etc.

I promise you they are not keeping Win Mag around. Have a look at PROJECT SHAMER and the US Military MK22 Contract if you don't believe me.

They might not be, but many other militaries and police use 300 Win Mag, easily far more than any other 30 Cal ( bot including 7.62).
Few people are giving up the 300 Win Mag for any other 30 Cal.

 

[John Gryphon]

They might not be, but many other militaries and police use 300 Win Mag

I see some Indians still have .303 rifles

 

[25 Sharps]

@billy_boyle_2010

Why not keep it simple and just get a 300 PRC?

 

[billy_boyle_2010]

Interesting.

@billy_boyle_2010

Why not keep it simple and just get a 300 PRC?

Is that simple? Not many out there to choose from tbh! Not sure how the FEO would feel. I wouldnt need the extra grunt over a WSM in truth.

 

[BigT]

They might not be, but many other militaries and police use 300 Win Mag, easily far more than any other 30 Cal ( bot including 7.62).
Few people are giving up the 300 Win Mag for any other 30 Cal.

Militaries and law enforcement often use things because logistics more than best capability. The 308 was and is used as a sniper cartridge for decades not because it was necessarily the best best choice, but because it was in the system and would work well enough.

When they started using the 300 win mag (which is a great cartridge) they didn’t have the option of the Normas PRC’s or WSM’s. So it was the thing that existed that filled the hole when they needed more long range poke. They will stay in many armouries because the ballache of replacing them outweighs any perfomance gains.

Logistics still play a role for the stalker. But they’re easier because you’re only feeding one rifle.

 

[hendrix's rifle]

Interesting.


Is that simple? Not many out there to choose from tbh! Not sure how the FEO would feel. I wouldnt need the extra grunt over a WSM in truth.

Big deer. Long range. Wearing body armour. Justification

Could go something as simple as bigger deer across valleys and need the additional oomph and bullet BC to ensure clean kills.

Have you considered 7prc/7mag? Definitely up there on the power, still utilising heavy, high BC bullets (the 7PRC that is anyway) and will give you the additional power you're after? I'm in between currently, I wanted a 300wm but then thought well I've always wanted to tickle the 300wsm but now the 7prc seems to tick my boxs real well. 130g copper bullet (when this lead ban comes in) North of 3100fps sounds like it will tick the long range reds in my eyes

 

[25 Sharps]

Interesting.


Is that simple? Not many out there to choose from tbh! Not sure how the FEO would feel. I wouldnt need the extra grunt over a WSM in truth.

To be honest they’re both .300 magnums so the FEO is unlikely to differentiate, although the PRC doesn’t have magnum in the title so may actually be easier.

As for not many out there, there are more manufacturers chambering rifles in 300 PRC than WSM and brass and factory ammo availability is far better…

 

[25 Sharps]

Big deer. Long range. Wearing body armour. Justification

Could go something as simple as bigger deer across valleys and need the additional oomph and bullet BC to ensure clean kills.

Have you considered 7prc/7mag? Definitely up there on the power, still utilising heavy, high BC bullets (the 7PRC that is anyway) and will give you the additional power you're after? I'm in between currently, I wanted a 300wm but then thought well I've always wanted to tickle the 300wsm but now the 7prc seems to tick my boxs real well. 130g copper bullet (when this lead ban comes in) North of 3100fps sounds like it will tick the long range reds in my eyes

My .280 does just north of 3100 fps with a 130 gr yew tree, though I prefer the 124s, a very potent combination.

The 300 PRC is a decent step up power wise, I’m shooting 225 gr bullets at 2860 fps, which is a gnat’s cock over 4000 ft-lb.

I think it would do around 3600 fps with a 145 gr bullet.

 

[hendrix's rifle]

My .280 does just north of 3100 fps with a 130 gr yew tree, though I prefer the 124s, a very potent combination.

The 300 PRC is a decent step up power wise, I’m shooting 225 gr bullets at 2860 fps, which is a gnat’s cock over 4000 ft-lb.

I think it would do around 3600 fps with a 145 gr bullet.

My rem mag was up there on velocity with the 130's.

That 300 is flying. You use it for stalking?

 

[breakout 103]

got an awesome proper built Nesika 7mm wsm for sale far far better than the 300

 

[howy308]

I have a Winchester 300 win mag with a engineered muzzle break and rings for sale it was purchased from Edinburgh rifles second hand.

 

[dropmdead]

Howa 7wsm and brass, dies etc cheap...

 

[25 Sharps]

My rem mag was up there on velocity with the 130's.

That 300 is flying. You use it for stalking?

That .280 load is with single based, WW2 tech, H4831. With modern double based ball powder like Ramshot Hunter I can get 3200+ fps with a 140 gr NBT.

I have, used the 300 on a couple of deer, it’s punishing on the carcass so don’t intend to make a habit of it. I will sort a copper load at some point but barrel life is only 1300-1500 rounds so won’t be doing lots of different loads.

My ranges generally top out at 300 yards, the .280 eats that up and drop from a 200 yard zero to that range is virtually identical between the 300 and the .280 so no real benefit. Looking at Hodgdon’s super performance data I should be able to get 3300 fps with the 124s from the .280, which will be even flatter.

 

[Malxwal]

For real life experience running 300wsm on deer, I believe @Brave Echo Niner would be worth speaking to.

 

[Ratcatcher]

A friend of mine has a 300 Remington Magnum he might move on?

 

[Ratcatcher]

A friend of mine has a 300 Remington Magnum he might move on?

Strike that it's a 300 weatherby magnum, R

 

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Both at the same dealers

@billy_boyle_2010 I was in Fawcetts this afternoon and checked these two rifles out. They are in great external condition and were owned by a husband and wife for highland stalking. One has a shortened stock and the other a lengthened stock. Can’t say what the barrels are like but they had not done much at all as the blueing wasn’t worn anywhere.