Brithunter
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Like I said in another thread the NRA has never supported ordinary shooters here in the UK. Col Blinky and crew are so far out of touch it's unreal.
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JabaliHunter
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The danger area is not long enough to contain bullets fired negligently into the sky, even from non-HME cartridges... as I understand it the restrictions are based on computer modelling ricochet risks from bullets skimming the target berms and when the .338 Lapua was run through this model alarm bells sounded. That's why civilian use of the .338 cal was banned by the MOD (notwithstanding the difference between a .338 Federal and a .338 Lapua!), but it would appear from the earlier post that this may have been modified now.
tackb
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as I understand it military personnel launched some 338 lapua rounds off range and they were found somewhere sensitive and that is why the stupid HME regs were introduced?
tackb
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and you can launch a 7mm amax for example with a similar BC to the 250g match bullet at the same or better velocity without the civilised world as we know it coming to an end!
utter utter nonsense !
alberta boy
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I know I'll sound like an a$$hole, but your firearms regs make my head hurt. They sound ridiculous IMHO
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tackb
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You don't sound like a nipper valve and your absolutely right our regs are beyond stupid in a lot of cases !
8x57
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You have to remember that this is a relatively small crowded island Alberta boy. We don't generally have the large open spaces that you do so safety areas behind and around ranges are rather restricted. Unfortunately if your club relies upon hiring military ranges and Bisley shares it's danger area with the military then you have to play by their rules.
I think that most of us would be total agreement with you though that our rules and firearms laws make your head spin.
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tackb
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well if you want my personal opinion I think bisley has had it's day, we need a national shooting centre more centrally located with a new NRA that will fight for all shooting sports , I personally think that the NRA has done too much harm to uk shooting sports over the years for people to forget and it really is archaic and run down there although I haven't been for ages or been a member since 'we don't know why anyone would want a semi auto rifle' episode.
I'm sorry if this offends the bisley die hards but it's how I feel and so far I've seen nothing that goes any way to change my opinion.
Brithunter
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I noticed that none mentioned that the Local council allowed building to take place in the danger zone. We we told if was a 7 mm bullet that was found on one of the new hoses garage roofs and as it was 7 mm it HAD to have come from the sporting range hence it had to me re-aligned at great cost which the NRA DID NOT PAY A PENNY TOWARDS!
The British Sporting Rifle Club footed the bill to remove and build a new back stop and move the range a few degrees to bring it inside the new smaller safety area thanks to the greed of developers and the council. I was a member of the BSRC when this was supposed to have happened and questioned about it as I occasionally shot 7 mm on the range.
Let's also remember that it was the NRA that allowed the Time Limit range to fall into disrepair and it was NOT the NRA who built and supplied the benches on Short Siberia. Oh they put a new access road in but only as they were worried about losing range fees.
One also must remmebr that the Police have not only 338 Lapua chambered rifles but alos some if .50 Browning .............................................. now that truly is a frightening thought as they cannot cope with 9mm para safely.
The British Sporting Rifle Club footed the bill to remove and build a new back stop and move the range a few degrees to bring it inside the new smaller safety area thanks to the greed of developers and the council. I was a member of the BSRC when this was supposed to have happened and questioned about it as I occasionally shot 7 mm on the range.
Let's also remember that it was the NRA that allowed the Time Limit range to fall into disrepair and it was NOT the NRA who built and supplied the benches on Short Siberia. Oh they put a new access road in but only as they were worried about losing range fees.
One also must remmebr that the Police have not only 338 Lapua chambered rifles but alos some if .50 Browning .............................................. now that truly is a frightening thought as they cannot cope with 9mm para safely.
Brithunter
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Bisley is a time capsule. I find the camp delightful with it's period buildings and avenues of trees. It just needs running better and some modern bits removed like that dreadful clay layout on what was Shorts. Long Sibreia was a far better location for the clay ranges an there is enough room fora full sporting layout as well as the DTL there. But nope the shot gunners must be centre stage and if the Rifle ranges are sacrificed so what.
The NRA council has alienated too many of the real shooters.
widows son
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they could just believe me when I lie and say they are downloaded to just under the stupid HME regs if they wanted?(I know, i'm going to hell in a handcart)
Someone has filled your head with empty cases, .338 lap mag is available to anyone who has the money to use it ,it is an expensive weapon to use hence it is not widely used for deer in the uk ,it is also a bit on the heavy side for deer etc
And not for the want of practice given my experience of the number of rounds they’re discharging on Short Siberia during weekdays.
K
I’m sure the vast majority of today’s NRA membership agree with much of what you say but its still the case that change will only come from within and ideally without discharging the jewel in Bisley's crown along with the water from the disgusting ablution facilities! Of course where those jewels were when and if the Olympics Selection Committee set foot past the Camp’s entrance will remain subject to speculation but if the following example of how not to sell yourself is what they too would have encountered in 2011/12, then no wonder the contaminated wasteland of Woolwich held such appeal. But I digress.
In terms of soliciting ‘change’ in an Organisation that for better or worse remain as of writing the voice of UK shooting, it should be acknowledged that the British Sporting Rifle Club has probably done more than any other to bring about a number of sporting rifle-friendly concessions applicable to this site’s membership and long may this process of education/enlightenment continue.
I for one
to the more active members of the BSRC both past and present.Cheers
K
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I never thought I'd be defending the NRA since my views have been very much in line with those expressed earlier, but there are a few green shoots of change starting to appear. You will see AR15 clones appearing on the cover of the NRA magazine, the format of which has been modernised. The new chief executive is questioning why we have to put up with MoD range regulations when the actual safety areas are owned by Bisley and not the MoD (the adjacent MoD ranges are allowed to use them by the NRA). Also the "safe shooter qualification" is being questioned since it basically prevents any visitors using a firearm at Bisley. He's even making a point of getting away from Bisley regularly to keep in contact with shooting elsewhere.
No doubt this is being driven by money, the NRA finances are in a dire state and they need to make Bisley pay, so they are being forced to ditch the old guard and get in people who can actually run a profitable leisure facility.
Even the state of the men's toilet at the Elcho Hilton has improved a little. OK, so still no hot water, soap or paper towels, but less soggy mess all over the floor these days.
No doubt this is being driven by money, the NRA finances are in a dire state and they need to make Bisley pay, so they are being forced to ditch the old guard and get in people who can actually run a profitable leisure facility.
Even the state of the men's toilet at the Elcho Hilton has improved a little. OK, so still no hot water, soap or paper towels, but less soggy mess all over the floor these days.
tackb
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you'll have to explain yourself a little better please I don't get your point?
Brithunter
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About bloody time too! In the past they have just ignored us ordinary shooters and labelled us whiners when complaints were made.
Their financial troubles are of course a direct result of the games and the money wasted upon the DTL layout. Along with the Labour Government going back upon their promise to foot some of the bill. Point still is that DTL should never have been built on Shorts.
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