.375 h&h

Mind telling which force that was with. Doesn't affect me, (9.3x62 for deer and AOLQ), but there are any number of others on the forum who have FLDs insisting that 'dangerous game' chamberings cannot be used in the UK, so it's useful to get an idea of those that do.

I also have AOLQ on my ticket so in theory i can shoot most things with it, in my opinion a center fire rifles a center fire rifle shouldn't matter what calibre it's in if your deemed suitable to own one a safe shots a safe shot. !
 
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Agree with you 100% on that, but there are still FLDs that impose an 'overseas only' condition on larger calibres. It could assist others if you say which one yours is.
 
Mind telling which force that was with. Doesn't affect me, (9.3x62 for deer and AOLQ), but there are any number of others on the forum who have FLDs insisting that 'dangerous game' chamberings cannot be used in the UK, so it's useful to get an idea of those that do.


West Mercia allows a 9.3x62. I've got a slot on my ticket. Granted for deer and AOLQ. Open ticket with expanding ammo.
Just waiting for it to be built.

ATB
Jon
 
I love the .375 H&H. It has to be one of the most inherently accurate rifles ever designed, the easiest to find or work up accurate loads. It is not a short range rifle. It has the trajectory of a .308 Winchester.

I have owned several along the way, like Goldilocks, trying to find one that is "just right". I hope I have now, in a Sako L61R, first year production. I am almost finished shaping another walnut stock for it, but I love the original one.

I have owned several pre-64 Winchesters. They were slick, but either the stock did not fit me or the barrel was too long for my tastes. The last one, an Express in gorgeous wood that I bought for a lion hunt, was the best. It was a 2005 production, with NECG sights, 9.25 lbs. I put a Tasco Titan 1.25-4x26 scope in Leupold QRW rings and bases on it and it shot every factory load into small ( for a bullet hole that large) group. It was perfect with a scope, but the stock too straight for the wonderful iron sights. i sold it to a surgeon in New York City for his safari.

I looked for years for an L61R, bought one, now found another like new. Doesn't that figure?

The nicest one I ever owned was a square bridge Mauser, built by Kreighoff and scoped by Griffin & Howe. I bought it from an heir who wanted a synthetic stainless rifle and a handgun, and did not know what the Safari Club medallions in the the stock of his grandfather's rifle meant.

I like the 260 to 270 grain bullets, Accubond, Hornady RN, and Swift. I wish I could find some more 235-gr bullets to load up some milder rounds at about 2,650 fps for practice and for deer.

Southern , what about 235 grain Woodleighs ? I believe Woodleighs are available in the US but they might be a bit expensive for practice !

Mike.
 
I will just wait on some 200, 225, or 235-gr bullets to hit the shelves.
Woodleigh I think of more for heavy premium bullets.
 
I'm a fan of the 375 H&H but don't like reloading much, case trimming least of all. I also use stick powders more than ball & found that I couldn't get enough into the cases even with a long drop tube. Solved the problem by having them re chambered to 375WBY. All using the same reamer, headspace, throat, etc, which simplifies which set of dies to use. I can still use 375 H&H rounds in them if I wish & never have to case trim. I didn't re chamber for the extra power of the WBY (I could have just used ball powders in the H&H), just did it for the convenience. That was 15 years ago & it has proved to have been a rare good decision.

Sharkey

Edit to add.

Also a big fan CRF & particularly of the Model 70 pre 64 action or "classic". My favourite 375 though is a beaten up "bitza" Mauser 98, its got a slimed down bruno barrel, exmilitary action, parker hale bolt handle, timney trigger, custom safety, express sights, barrel band, recoil lug on barrel, QR mounts, it's wearing a laminated stock ATM & it points well. It's scope, a Leupold 1.5x5x20 is currently sighted in for 250 grn Barnes x, it's a lot milder to shoot than some of my 338's using the same weight pill.
 
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I've got a .375H&H, had it for more than a decade. Mine is a Brno ZKK-602. It has flip up blade sights for 100, 200, and 300 yards (or metres?). The front sight is adjustable for height, just press down on a plunger to release and adjust the blade. The safety catch operates 'backwards'. Forward position is 'safe' and rear position is 'fire'.

It's been to Africa twice and I've used it on a wide variety of plains game: duiker, springbok, impala, blesbok, warthog, gemsbok, kudu and wildebeest. My light load is the Hornady 225g SP and for hunting large game I've used the Hornady 270g SP. I've used these because they were cheap and easily accessible at the time. Both of these bullets are rather soft and for choice, I'd recommend something tougher, especially for the larger animals. That said, meat damage on the smaller animals was minimal, especially compared to a .243 for example. Towards the end of my second hunt, when I'd shot several duiker, springbok and impala with the 225g SP, the PH said "I'm going to have to reassess my opinion of the 375 on smaller game". It's a lot more gun than required, but I took just one rifle on that trip. I also shot a dozen or so of these cute guys, the destructive vervet monkey Vervet Monkey | Primate | Africa Mammal Guide with the .375 before switching to a loaned .243 (which didn't fit me at all and had a fixed 12x scope).

I enjoy my 375. It's a decent step up from my 30-06 without being OTT and although it has stout recoil, any full grown man should be able to handle it. I shoot it in competitions with my rifle club, using static 'running boar' or deer targets, and it's a hoot, shot standing unsupported. Latterly I've been shooting cast bullets as a plinking load. I've been using the Lee 249g bullet over 25.0g of Blue Dot for a claimed 1600fps (QL estimate). This shoots four inches to the right and eight inches beneath the Hornady 225g SP which should be whistling along at around 2800fps (QL again). I've just bought a Lyman mould to produce a 264g gas checked bullet. I'm hoping to reduce the velocity on the Lee bullet so I can shoot it on an indoor range (max KE is 450ft-lbs) and the Lyman bullet velocity can be stepped up for outdor use. Cast bullets will be a lot cheaper than factory bullets, and at lower velocities, produce less recoil meaning I get more shooting. Twenty rounds of full power hunting loads is normally enough for anyone.

-JMS
 
I do like the .375H&H. It is a very good all round calibre which will take anything on earth and is legal to do so pretty much anywhere on earth as well. (Was shooting one last weekend actually, CZ550)
I think in the UK, as .375H&H is considered the legal minimum for dangerous game, a lot of licensing departments won’t let you have it or will take a lot of convincing.

Interestingly, my 9.3x62 was not much of a challenge to get conditioned for deer and AOLQ with the Met.

I’ve often wondered why the 9.3x62 was fine in a lot of countries for DG and now is not, arguably with modern bullets the 9.3 is better than ever. I do wonder how well it deals with the heavier solids though. I think the 9.3x62 might be better on the thin skinned stuff but the .375H&H being able to use anywhere is great.

Oh, and if we had half decent gun laws in this country, I’d have a .375H&H in the cabinet as well as the 9.3x62, but I get the chance to go for buff, I’m taking a .416 Rigby or .404 Jeffery.
 
And you're the police of what, sticking your beak in? The OP was asking about a specific calibre, not what it was like compared to anything else. You may get off on raping threads to stick your 2 cents in, but most people myself included use SD for real world advice and experience, not the ramblings of armchair snipers who rub copies of Guns n Ammo over themselves in their basements when they're not looking for the latest new and improved blow up doll. So if you've nothing of use to add go and haunt someone else .
 
And you're the police of what, sticking your beak in? The OP was asking about a specific calibre, not what it was like compared to anything else. You may get off on raping threads to stick your 2 cents in, but most people myself included use SD for real world advice and experience, not the ramblings of armchair snipers who rub copies of Guns n Ammo over themselves in their basements when they're not looking for the latest new and improved blow up doll. So if you've nothing of use to add go and haunt someone else .

and now good old marcbo has got a semi on because he has riled you (it's what turns him on)

just read his drivel and move on , I do , I mostly dismiss it as the ramblings of disappointed old man (sadly some of his stuff is quite interesting and he certainly has knowledge but it's the nonsense that's it's wrapped in that riles people)
 
I do like the .375H&H. It is a very good all round calibre which will take anything on earth and is legal to do so pretty much anywhere on earth as well. (Was shooting one last weekend actually, CZ550)
I think in the UK, as .375H&H is considered the legal minimum for dangerous game, a lot of licensing departments won’t let you have it or will take a lot of convincing.

Interestingly, my 9.3x62 was not much of a challenge to get conditioned for deer and AOLQ with the Met.

I’ve often wondered why the 9.3x62 was fine in a lot of countries for DG and now is not, arguably with modern bullets the 9.3 is better than ever. I do wonder how well it deals with the heavier solids though. I think the 9.3x62 might be better on the thin skinned stuff but the .375H&H being able to use anywhere is great.

Oh, and if we had half decent gun laws in this country, I’d have a .375H&H in the cabinet as well as the 9.3x62, but I get the chance to go for buff, I’m taking a .416 Rigby or .404 Jeffery.

I've no doubt the 9.3 with proper bullets could take any game animal in Africa including elephant.

The thing, however, is that the 9.3--as good as it is--is not the 375 H&H. It is very popular as a bushveld cartridge, and on the continent for boar. The trajectory is actually quite good, but again, not as good as the 375 H&H when comparing full house loads. The 375 H&H has a trajectory similar to 180gr .30-06 loads, except with 300 gr bullets. You have bullet weights from 200 gr for antelope all the way up to 380 gr for the largest animals on this earth. It is more versatile and has other things going for it as well...

It is the legal minimum everywhere for dangerous game.

It is ubiquitous thus ammunition can be found even in remote parts of Yukon/Alaska/Africa/etc (reloading supplies can be bought locally, too).

The cartridge is the smoothest feeding and extracting I have ever encountered.

The belt, though often criticized as unecessary, adds another element of reliability in extreme conditions and when hunting dangerous game.

It is actually relatively mild mannered when the gun is fitted properly. Not as mild as the 9.3, but again, it is not the 9.3 and has never aspired to be.

And that is why I avoided the comparison. I actually love the 9.3 and its NA equivalent--the .35 Whelen. They are both capable cartridges that will take any game animal here within sensible range. They fit in a standard action and thus can be made 1 to 1.5 lbs lighter. A .375, however, can be made into a just as handy of a rifle if need be. You can always download the .375, but you cannot upload the 9.3.

The 9.3 was always the poor man's .375 H&H. And that is NOT to denigrate it because obviously the formula worked!, and very wealthy people shoot it in place of the .375. It is an extremely practical cartridge and all things being equal, the rifles cost less and are cheaper to shoot. Magnum Mausers were only ever made commercially. The 9.3x62 allowed farmers in Africa to convert there surplus 98s to the 9.3 on the cheap and this worked very well. There were also many commercial Mauser chambered in this cartridge.

But again, the comparison isn't fair and the criticisms not really criticisms, but mere preference. Other than cost, the only major criticism of the .375 is weight/bulk, which in a properly finished gun is an additional lbs or so. In a cartridge that fires 18 more more grams of powder than the 9.3, that extra bit of weight is NOT a drawback. With a good sling I can hike 8+ hours with it and not be bothered.

The .375 H&H is a versatile and inspiring workhorse that will continue to be popular the world over for another 100 years. Those who own and shoot this cartridge do so because they recognize its unique traits and balance. It is [still] the top choice in its class. Necessary for NA and Europe? Absolutely not. But for moose and bear it is near ideal, and it will perform equally well if you choose to take other (smaller) game animals with it.
 
No it isn't...

and given that it pre-dates the .375 by about 7 years, that can't be true either ...


I know the 9.3 is the legal minimum in some places.

What I meant was that it is legal everywhere and the 9.3 is not. I don't think this is right, but it is reality.

Love the wry sense of humour! :lol:
 
Actually I think the point being made was in quite a few places in Africa, the calibre had better start .4?? before it is legal for dangerous game. Anyway if you want to compare a 9.3 to a .375 H & H hadn't you better use the 9.3 x 64 as a starting point. That is much closer in performance. (Please this i not an attempt to set off another argument)

David.
 
Right now, the BX on Davis-Monthan Air Force base has a new Ruger No.1 on the shelf chambered for 9.3x64. I think it will be there for quite a while because of the caliber and the fact it is priced at over $1,200.00.

SS
 
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