6xc vs 243

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Hi, is anyone using a 6XC for stalking and if so do they feel it offers much advantage over a 243?
With the faster twist on the 6XC I was wondering if it would make a good 6mm cartridge for 100gr copper loads.

I appreciate this is a bit of a niche cambering but I'm happy reloading.

Any thoughts or feedback would I'm sure be useful for anyone working through the whole copper in heavier 243 loadings situation.

Thanks..
 
The only important bits are - what projectile can be fired accurately and repeatedly in the calibre chosen..?
And secondly, what is the availability of brass.

243 is fine. Its only Scotland where it will be an issue with non-lead and rifle twist. So many people are being led to dispose of 243 living in England, Wales and NI and theres simply no need to.

And rebarreling 243 to a tighter twist will also do the trick in Scotland. The dealers LOVE selling new guns which is why much of this claptrap is propagated.
Having said that 6xc is effective. @Norway @dodgyknees ???
Plenty of youtube videos with 6xc on deer.
Im using 6BR (have hundreds of once fired cases) and its super accurate with minimal recoil. Theres a 6mm cartridge for everyone.
 
6XC is an excellent round. I've successfully stalked and competed with it for ~ 7 years with a 1:8 twist using factory and homeloads. I had a number of 243's before that. The downside is the cost of factory ammunition. I'm re-barrrelling mine to 260 Rem this winter.
Regards
JCS
 
6XC is an excellent round. I've successfully stalked and competed with it for ~ 7 years with a 1:8 twist using factory and homeloads. I had a number of 243's before that. The downside is the cost of factory ammunition. I'm re-barrrelling mine to 260 Rem this winter.
Regards
JCS
How are you finding the availability of Brass and are you having to Neck Turn?
 
I have just started with the 6XC (my daughters competition rifle) and I am very impressed. I think it is what the 243 should have been. Using Peterson SRP brass I get excellent accuracy and 3100fps easily without any pressure issues from a moly 105g Lapua Scenar bullet that shoots very flat out to silly distances which knocks the 6.5s into the last decade. I haven’t tried it on deer but will probably do so at some stage.
 
I have a couple of hundred 6mm 105 scenars. Has anyone experience of their expansion capability?
Th

Thanks for this. Yes Ive read a lot of Nathan Foster’s work.

Guess Ill get the meplat trimmer out !
Scenar is a match bullet. No 6mm is listed. :)
Lapua do SP and Naturalis for hunting.
 
Scenar is a match bullet. No 6mm is listed. :)
Lapua do SP and Naturalis for hunting.
Oh do bore off.
Amax is a match bullet. Have you seen its expansion first hand?

All bullets have design characteristics which may or may not lend itself to hunting (jacket softness for example) at a particular velocity, irrespective of either design or marketing. Thats why they get tested.
 
Not entirely on topic. I have a custom 6 creed. More of a highseat rifle than stalking rifle, but I have stalked with it. Love the cartridge and calibre. Can’t fault it at all. Reloading components and factory ammo are usually easy to source.

To me, I prefer it to a .243 having moved from .243 to 6 creed. It can offer more velocity and works well with long bullets. I shoot the 108 gr ELD-M at 3060 fps. The barrel isn’t stalking friendly though at 26”. I’m led to believe throat erosion isn’t as bad compared to a .243 due to the steeper shoulder and longer neck or something like that
 
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Hi, is anyone using a 6XC for stalking and if so do they feel it offers much advantage over a 243?
With the faster twist on the 6XC I was wondering if it would make a good 6mm cartridge for 100gr copper loads.

I appreciate this is a bit of a niche cambering but I'm happy reloading.

Any thoughts or feedback would I'm sure be useful for anyone working through the whole copper in heavier 243 loadings situation.

Thanks..
I had similar thoughts when I changed over to the dark side (Blaser) last year. both my previous 243’ had struggled with bullet weights over 95gn and I wanted to keep options as wide as possible with any changes regarding lead restrictions. I realise there are plenty of 243 rifles that don’t struggle with heavy bullets and that some 100gn flat base lead bullets, pro hunter for example, will work very well, and that there are an increasing number of excellent lead free alternatives that will work well in a 243 under 100gns. The great thing about our sport is that there is an almost limitless choice in terms of of calibre/load selections, they all do the job but there’s a lot of fun to be had in the choosing!
One option was to rebarrell in the future with a faster twist 243, but that wasn’t an option with a Blaser which is 1-10, and I quite like the fun of more unusual calibres so the 6XC caught my eye.
Im very pleased it did tbh as I’m delighted with it. With excellent accuracy and velocity (3220fps with 87gn vmax) it’s become my go to for foxing.
Ive not used it on deer yet, but have some yew tree copper along with 105gn Berger vld to try out in the next round of load development so will give them a run then. Ive no doubt it will perform well.
Whilst factory ammo is neither cheap nor in abundance, reloading hasn’t been an issue at all, cases are pretty easy to come by, Vihtavouri have good load data on their website (mine likes n550) and it seems to be a very efficient cartridge with a wide range of bullet weights.
Some may consider you a poser if you do down the 6xc route (though I’m not quite sure sure where that leaves a 6mm Creedmoor owner:)) but I doubt you’ll regret it!
 
I have reloaded for 2 rifles chambered in 6 XC one a Blaser using RS60 behind a 103 gr ELD X - so accurate. The other other was barreled by Callum Ferguson in a Kreiger barrel and shot the 105 gr Amax beautifully and in keeping with the OP 's question shoots Peregrine 100 gr quite well.

Having made ammo for both 243 and 6XC and limited knowledge of the latter I would still opt for the 6XC
 

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I think David would disagree with you. He produced an excellent cartridge and it's very interesting how close the Creedmoor is to the 6XC dimensionally.
I certainly enjoyed mine -
Regards
JCS

Can get a Howa barreled action in 6 Creed, factory ammo too, although scarce at the moment.

Why pay many times over for the same thing in 6XC when you have an off the shelf option now?

Once my Howa .243 is toast I'm swapping over.
 
I had similar thoughts when I changed over to the dark side (Blaser) last year. both my previous 243’ had struggled with bullet weights over 95gn and I wanted to keep options as wide as possible with any changes regarding lead restrictions. I realise there are plenty of 243 rifles that don’t struggle with heavy bullets and that some 100gn flat base lead bullets, pro hunter for example, will work very well, and that there are an increasing number of excellent lead free alternatives that will work well in a 243 under 100gns. The great thing about our sport is that there is an almost limitless choice in terms of of calibre/load selections, they all do the job but there’s a lot of fun to be had in the choosing!
One option was to rebarrell in the future with a faster twist 243, but that wasn’t an option with a Blaser which is 1-10, and I quite like the fun of more unusual calibres so the 6XC caught my eye.
Im very pleased it did tbh as I’m delighted with it. With excellent accuracy and velocity (3220fps with 87gn vmax) it’s become my go to for foxing.
Ive not used it on deer yet, but have some yew tree copper along with 105gn Berger vld to try out in the next round of load development so will give them a run then. Ive no doubt it will perform well.
Whilst factory ammo is neither cheap nor in abundance, reloading hasn’t been an issue at all, cases are pretty easy to come by, Vihtavouri have good load data on their website (mine likes n550) and it seems to be a very efficient cartridge with a wide range of bullet weights.
Some may consider you a poser if you do down the 6xc route (though I’m not quite sure sure where that leaves a 6mm Creedmoor owner:)) but I doubt you’ll regret it!
Thanks for the feedback as it was an R8 6xc barrel that caught my eye and got me thinking about this option. As you say a world of choices in our sport..
 
Can get a Howa barreled action in 6 Creed, factory ammo too, although scarce at the moment.

Why pay many times over for the same thing in 6XC when you have an off the shelf option now?

Once my Howa .243 is toast I'm swapping over.
I have a custom 6mm Creedmoor built on a Borden Aline and I love the cartridge!
I am currently shooting the 103gr ELD X at 3180fps average with and SD of 5.5 over 20 rounds using N160 it groups amazingly. Very easy to work up a load for.

It’s laser flat with very low recoil and great on fallow, highly recommend it!

Sam
 
Interesting thread.

At your normal deer stalking ranges, the fast twist 6mm has little to offer over a .243 Winchester, again the shot variables will eat up any ballistic advantages. It’s further out that the long, high BC bullets really count. However, the achievable velocity in a fast twist 6mm means that it is very well suited to a good long for calibre copper bullet. The problem is there are few options available in 6mm copper and you’d better hope your expensive Blaser barrel likes whatever copper bullets you can actually find in today’s market. I would hate being boxed in by (a) few mass produced options in that calibre and (b) supply shortages.

If you’ve already got a .243 Win and you’re shooting in England, I can’t see the point of re-barrelling just to use a long for calibre 6mm copper bullet that’s only 10gr heavier than one that shoots in a 1:10” twist barrel. At stalking ranges it doesn’t count for much. It’s worth pointing out that there are plenty of competent bush hunters here using .243 Win with 80-85gr Barnes at close-ish range on large red deer. At 3250fps it’s a hard hit on any deer, large or small.

Couple of minor housekeeping issues…

There’s bugger all practical difference between a 6XC and a 6mm Creedmoor. Any minuscule paper advantages of one over the other is erased by the shot variables. I got a 6mm Creedmoor for the simple reason that it is available in cheap Howa barrelled actions. I use it for longer range red deer and goat sniping with the Hornady 108gr ELD-M, extremely effective. A semi-custom 6XC in a lightweight stalker config would be a very nice rifle, just make sure it is 7½” twist.

The A-Max was not a match bullet. It was a general-purpose hunting / target bullet and was categorised as such by Hornady up until the point they decided to release two different bullets that did essentially the same job, the ELD-X and the ELD-M. We’ve been through all this before…

The Lapua Scenar is a very poor choice for hunting. It’s terminal performance is the same as the original tiny meplat Bergers back in the day - highly unreliable expansion ranging from classic pinhole through and through to explosive under penetration. You might get lucky and encounter just the right amount of resistance at the right angle but personally I wouldn’t touch them. My primary shooting buddy learnt this lesson the hard way with maximum embarrassment when trying to use up his stock of Scenars on goats after he switched to Bergers for F-Class.
 
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