Whitefront
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I love my 7mm-08 Steyr Scout with F&D mod. Thought it might be difficult to get non-lead factory ammo, but found two that work well - Fox and Federal Trophy Copper. Settled on the Fox.
7mm 08 working well!
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Norway's premier firearm guru has a Sako L579 which he bought as an action in the eighties. Probably had 15-20 barrels on it since. Chambered for various cartridges. Main author of the reloaders bible (here) Ladeboka 1-8.Trigger's broom?
lochty
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What's that? I've broken the wooden stock, shot out 2 barrels and worn out a t8. So it's not a cabinet queen....Trigger's broom?
DevonRifle
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I bought a Cooper in 7mm-08 a few months ago, it came with reloading equipment and a lot of target rounds (I’m purely a hunter). I had to shoot the target rounds up down the range didn’t I? I love the rifle and the single action with a bolt is a lot quicker to load than I imagined.
I have a load of copper bullets on order and they’re taking ages. I have tried a few lead core rounds and it loves PPUs more than anything else, almost as good as the hand loads, I would say that was a result but I need copper for the game dealer…
I have a load of copper bullets on order and they’re taking ages. I have tried a few lead core rounds and it loves PPUs more than anything else, almost as good as the hand loads, I would say that was a result but I need copper for the game dealer…
long_range_rob
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Mine is a Sako 75 factory barrelled in 7mm08. Owned from new wearing a McMillan 75 stock, Optilock one piece ring mounts and a S&B 6x42. It now has a Swarovski 3-12x50 PB scope in FFP with a TDS Plex reticule
Alan has built me two absolute hammers ,just wondering why you are selling yours?I wish someone would love mine…….
For Sale: - Tikka M590 Semi Custom 7-08 with Freyr and Devik 149 moderator
Due to a change in circumstances, reluctantly selling my Tikka 590 semi custom recently built by Alan Maughan Tikka M590 Action Brux 8 twist match grade barrel 18” long, 18x1 thread, invisible thread cap. McMillan adjustable Game scout stock Devon pillar bedded over-sized pillars Tier One...www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk
Scipio
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well, it's ballistic twin the 7x57 was one the most popular cartridges around for a good long while, so there once was a commonly held esteem and commercial success behind it.I have always wondered why the 7mm08 isn't more popular ??
I guess a possibilty could be that between the 7x57 losing popularity and the 7mm08 becoming a proper manufactorers cartridge, 1-2 generations of hunters had in the meantime become quite fond of other mid sized cartridges. catridges does pretty much the same thing (6.5x55, 308, 270 even the 3006). All calibers which are stocked much more readily in ammo shops. At least in Denmark and Italy.
So until the 7mm08 becomes fashionable and aggressively marketed, and thus more readily available in ammo shops as well, it might continue to live somewhat in the shadows of other mid sized cartriges in Europe and the UK.
In the US it is pretty popular though isnt it? And as Taff said, in the NZ too, apparently.
Hey Taff, yeah, you could well be right there.
However besides which cartridge is pushed by the industry, It will also be interesting to see how the change to less dense non lead ammo will do for hunters choice of cartridges in the future.
If most of us drop 20 grn in average, then suddenly a deer suited bullet from a 308,7mm08/7x57,6,5x55 flies at speeds that used to be 30.06/270/25-06 velocities. And the 30-06 sized cartridges will send deer suited bullets flying at almost small magnum speeds. Interesting times.
yeah, same in italy. I cant even stalk legally without optics in my region either. :-/
This said, if shooting mid sized cartridges as a recreational stalker, does one really badly need a surpressor? I think i shall start a thread on this, akin to caberslashs' "suspended gralloching, why?" ,D
@theroedeerguy
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Mine is an absolute tack driver and testament to Alan’s talent and attention to detail.
I am just not bonding with it and am looking for better off the shelf factory ammo availability so am changing to a .270.
Really enjoyed shooting a Blaser Pro Success at a demo day a couple of years ago so will be opting for one of those.
When my Sako .222 eventually needs a new barrel it will be Alan that it will go to, he is highly recommended and his build quality is second to none.
Dorsettaff
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Love my 7mm-08. T3 action, 20" Bartlein on a PSE stock. Built with love and care by Neil McKillop. Probably the best rifle I've ever had. Devastating with 139 grain GMX or SST/Interbonds. Love it !
He built my 6.5 and 22-250,I haven't found a bullet either don't like yet.
I'll get him to re barrel the creedmoor to a PRC when this barrel burns out.
PARDON??!
@Scipius if you look at most centrefire rifles sold now in the UK, they have a barrel length of around 20" and come with a threaded muzzle. Most Police forces expect you to ask for a moderator when applying for a certificate.
The only rifle that I own and shoot unmoderated is a Sako L461 Vixen (1960's vintage) with the original 23.5" barrel and iron sights, rechambered to 223 by a previous owner. Miracle that it escaped a 'chopper' as that was the fate of many nice rifles once moderators became widespread... bet some made money in selling on the 'scrap' iron sights!
If you are of the Scandinavian persuasion, I'd recommend that you look at getting one of these small Sako's. They started with the L46 (1946) , then L461 (1961) and later the A1. Usually came in .222 although 7x33 SAKO is the purist's choice. Great for all small game, bird and roe.
A lot of the Oz pro roo and pig/goat shooters either use 222 or 223, some 204 or even 17 Rem etc but notice how they are all the smaller (AR15 size) cartridges? Moderators are banned in Oz for most people.
Long barrel + smaller (but efficient!) cartridge = quiet-er
Short barrel + big cartridge= big boom!
There is a 'bushpig' style of rifle, popular in NZ where a long action cartridge (.270, 7mm Remington Magnum, sometimes 308) is used in a short barrel (16"-18"), moderator pretty much mandatory. Seen some incredible long range shots (900m!) being made with such rifles.
I'd shoot a nice 22"+ barreled .243 without a mod, but nothing bigger. Without hearing protection you can still experience hearing damage when shooting with a moderator.
I have mild tinnitus but for some it is really bad and no laughing matter.
I have always wondered why the 7mm08 isn't more popular ??
Two reasons. One, it's a Remington and this company is pathetic at supporting its ammunition products. They get a big push on launch, but if they don't succeed quickly, they're left to languish and either barely hang on or slowly die. As with the 260 Rem, another basically good design that was badly under-supported, Remington also only sees such cartridges in 'deerhunting' terms despite the 7-08's origins being heavily target orientated. So, a couple of 140gn PSP loadings and nothing else. Second, despite all the love the 7X57mm was given in Gun Digest Annual, Guns & Ammo, Rifle etc publications, the average US Joe Hunter was pretty well unaware of metric calibres and suspicious of them until at least the late 60s and often until well into this century . Throw in a near obsession over there with high MVs / MEs and the little 7-08 was always going to be compared adversely to the earlier 7mm Remington Magnum, the 6.5 Creedmoor of its era (in terms of publicity, sales, rifle manufacturers rushing to chamber it).
Crazy to think that Remington has thrown a lot of good ideas in the drain for others to pick up and fly with.
Read your article on small rifle primers in 308 Palma cases, and Mike Walker already tried this with Rem 308BR!
The fact that Atlas Development Group has a lot of former Remington employees speaks volumes.
Scipio
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Hey caberslashPARDON??!
@Scipius if you look at most centrefire rifles sold now in the UK, they have a barrel length of around 20" and come with a threaded muzzle. Most Police forces expect you to ask for a moderator when applying for a certificate.
The only rifle that I own and shoot unmoderated is a Sako L461 Vixen (1960's vintage) with the original 23.5" barrel and iron sights, rechambered to 223 by a previous owner. Miracle that it escaped a 'chopper' as that was the fate of many nice rifles once moderators became widespread... bet some made money in selling on the 'scrap' iron sights!
If you are of the Scandinavian persuasion, I'd recommend that you look at getting one of these small Sako's. They started with the L46 (1946) , then L461 (1961) and later the A1. Usually came in .222 although 7x33 SAKO is the purist's choice. Great for all small game, bird and roe.
A lot of the Oz pro roo and pig/goat shooters either use 222 or 223, some 204 or even 17 Rem etc but notice how they are all the smaller (AR15 size) cartridges? Moderators are banned in Oz for most people.
Long barrel + smaller (but efficient!) cartridge = quiet-er
Short barrel + big cartridge= big boom!
There is a 'bushpig' style of rifle, popular in NZ where a long action cartridge (.270, 7mm Remington Magnum, sometimes 308) is used in a short barrel (16"-18"), moderator pretty much mandatory. Seen some incredible long range shots (900m!) being made with such rifles.
I'd shoot a nice 22"+ barreled .243 without a mod, but nothing bigger. Without hearing protection you can still experience hearing damage when shooting with a moderator.
I have mild tinnitus but for some it is really bad and no laughing matter.
But that's exactly it, the barrels for such medium sized cartridges are Often so short in suppressor using countries Because they're prepped for a suppressors in the first place. That in turn elongates the rifle again and Even makes it (top) heavier than without the surpressor.
So Why not just leave it as it was originally, with a 22-24 inch surpressorless barrel, that also gives you the choice of exactly going scopeless, if that's you're fancy?
Now for reduction of noise and lowering of recoil i can agree, the surpressors definitely helps. But then again if one is shooting a 308, 6.5.creed or x55, 7x57 sized cartridge is that recoil reduction really necessary vs the extra cost, cleaning and forward weight distribution that a suppressor can bring?
And a Lot of Scandinavian hunters wear active noise canceling hearing protection anyways, so that kind of takes care of the noise issue.
If This is not so common where you or others hunt i can definitely understand the surpressors clear advantage, but in an environment such as the Scandinavian one, i am not so sure going with a suppressor is really as clearly advantageous as it's often assumed.
Foxyboy43
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Lovely looking kit - the link is coming up as ”oops we ran into a problem” and won’t open - on both of your postings.
Lovely looking kit - the link is coming up as ”oops we ran into a problem” and won’t open - on both of your postings.
Believe the rifle is now with @Edinburgh Rifles...
Brave Echo Niner
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In the UK one of the reasons I’m so keen on moderators personally is due to the public. Most of my stalking is very close to people or has public access throughout (got to love the Lake District in the summer
). Hence have a mod keeps things a lot more discreet and prevents rubbing people up the wrong way. Ben
Scipio
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Hello BenIn the UK one of the reasons I’m so keen on moderators personally is due to the public. Most of my stalking is very close to people or has public access throughout (got to love the Lake District in the summer
Ben
That's a very good reason too. And i indeed do believe there are hunting enviroments where surpressors do make sense. I am just saying that this isnt necessarily always the case. It depends on what you like and where and how you hunt really.
But if we wish to continue this discussion, (which is a good one imo ) we should perhaps move it into its own thread instead, so that we dont high jack the subject too much from the original post of this thread.
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