A&s digital only
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@Conor O'Gorman - didn't BASC successfully challenge this from another force quite recently?
Ye gods!
One force is trying to modernise and improve their service along with clear guidance on progress and what you need to do (See recent post about a course you can do if you want open ticket -its not mandatory)
Please don't make this a pushback for paper so they need to waste time keeping the old service running alongside.
One force is trying to modernise and improve their service along with clear guidance on progress and what you need to do (See recent post about a course you can do if you want open ticket -its not mandatory)
Please don't make this a pushback for paper so they need to waste time keeping the old service running alongside.
Totally agree, but the process has to be user friendly for those who struggle with digital. I am not too bad with IT, and did my application online, but it took two attempts as once started there is no way to save while you find that one missing piece of info required.
And yet they only accept paper variations, when I believe other forces have gone digital.
nf-fuse
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It's easy to say that everything should be digital if you understand it but there are loads of people out there who basically can't do anything on computers. Either than don't do the process or they have to get help from someone else.
I'm not a luddite - I have degree level qualification in IT, but that's the reality. I would suggest the age demographic of shooters, quite a few fall in to this trap.
I'm not a luddite - I have degree level qualification in IT, but that's the reality. I would suggest the age demographic of shooters, quite a few fall in to this trap.
Agreed it's a pain in the ass. The form is stupid and you can't save it, none of this is helpful especially for older people who.may have limited access to the internet etc
However
My mum (84)
can only renew her blue badge online
GP only accepts prescription renewal online
There is no longer a bank in any of the local villages so she needs to do it online
These are critical things. If they can go digital only then renewing your FAC can as well
Yes, I'm sure I remember reading in BASC magazine that they cannot force you to use digital, they must accept paper application if submitted
Conor O'Gorman
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Yes, West Mercia:
BASC welcomes West Mercia decision to keep paper applications
BASC has welcomed clarification from West Mercia Police that paper submissions for certificate applications will continue to be accepted.
basc.org.uk
Why a picture of a pistol on the form?
Fine but they need to ensure you can save you application and return to it.
Last time I renewed on line it was an onerous task.
Why cannot they send you the digital version with your weapons and moddies on so you can check and update as necessary.
Cynical me thinks they go out of their way to make it as difficult as possible to complete.
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Fine but they need to ensure you can save you application and return to it.
Last time I renewed on line it was an onerous task.
Why cannot they send you the digital version with your weapons and moddies on so you can check and update as necessary.
Cynical me thinks they go out of their way to make it as difficult as possible to complete.
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The Firearms Act 1968, sections 26A and 26B say the application "shall be made in the prescribed form" and the prescribed forms are given in The Firearms Rules 1998, Schedules 1 to 5.
Until this is repealed, you can use the paper forms as prescribed.
It is the Law, after all.
Stalker-of-the-deer
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Was sorting mine this aft, my local police you click i to it and it gives you the option for paper based so your options are:
Sit with somone and fill it out if your not computer savy
Or get them to print it out
Sit with somone and fill it out if your not computer savy
Or get them to print it out
Surely nobody would post inaccurate information on social media?!
nf-fuse
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Feos seem to think the law applies to shooters but it's only 'guidance' for them.
I have found that having a polite discussion with them and pointing out the laws, rules and guidance points you're using to make your request often helps.
If you ask them to email you the reasons they felt it necessary to go against the law or guidance might get a change of heart.
ETA: To be fair all but one feo I've had to deal with have been open to discussions, it seems to be the faceless and uncontactable office dept where things get trickier.
nf-fuse
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In my experience they don't like to commit to the written word.I have found that having a polite discussion with them and pointing out the laws, rules and guidance points you're using to make your request often helps.
If you ask them to email you the reasons they felt it necessary to go against the law or guidance might get a change of heart.
ETA: To be fair all but one feo I've had to deal with have been open to discussions, it seems to be the faceless and uncontactable office dept where things get trickier.
Yep, that's the clincher.
Devils advocate.
As correctly stated above the prescribed form is stipulated in:
Firearms Rules 1998, Section 3 (1) An application for the grant, renewal or variation of a firearm certificate shall be in the form set out in Part I of Schedule 1.
This shows a copy of a paper document, the ‘form’, it does not state that it has to be on paper but shows the format the ‘form’ must be in. At the time of writing the rules it would only have been available in paper format and could be argued that is what the legislators meant, conversely if the actual format could be replicated in an electronic form then that should suffice.
It could be argued that if the electronic format of the ‘form’ is not exactly as the format designated in legislation then the form does not comply with legislation and therefore invalid.
Certainly a line of argument BASC, or similar, could follow.
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