Advice pleas

[stoker150]

Hi there troops im in a bit of a quandary. And it’s like this looking to get some nv and am torn between the atn x site and the pard 008. My question is this which one I shoot a .308 and that’s where the nv would reside. Any help advice or opinions most welcome
Thanks

 

[sauer]

This is a no brainer

Pard NV 008 over the x-site every time

If only for the fact that ATN record of service and problems and their history on lack of support
Means many won’t. Touch them again .

As for the spec and tech differences vs price etc

Speak to mealiejimmy on here .... built his own thermals etc and what he doesn’t know about digital NV etc not worth knowing .

Absolute gent also .

Paul

 

[Uncle f]

Agree with above Atn x sight no end of problems and there service is non existent
Pard every time

 

[mealiejimmy]

PARD NV008 every time
Cheaper, smaller, lighter, and has an excellent inbuilt illuminator - you can even take it off the rifle and use it as a spotter if you want.
As Paul says, ATN has a terrible reputation for faulty products and non existent back up.
If you buy an 008, get it from CustomRifleScopes shop
The guy who runs this company works with the manufacturer to develop and improve their NV and thermal products and provides a great back up service if you run into any problems (which is extremely unlikely)
I suggest you register with Nightvisionforum UK website - that's where all the knowledge and experience of designing, building, buying and using NV and thermal kit is to be found

Cheers

Bruce

 

[rimfool]

Pard nv008 you will not be disappointed

 

[monty]

Evening, can someone tell me how the pard nv008 compares to the Ward d vision

Cheers

 

[pj1]

I have a ward 800 s. it is very very good. Having said that I have two friends that have the pard 007. I am very impressed with it. Very impressed indeed. There are a few things that I don’t like but very minimal really and if I played with the pats on my scopes etc I may get over them. If buying again I would probably go pard. In a side by side comparison I can see further and clearer with the ward using the same ir Illuminator. That may be down to scope choice. I think the pard magnifies the cross hairs which is ok but narrows the field of view for me. Also there is a focus wheel for want if a better word underneath which is easily moved. But little things considering the price difference. The pard works far better off the scope than the ward

 

[pj1]

Sorry about spelling mistakes fat thumbs and mobile phone auto correct

 

[mealiejimmy]

The NV008 is a stand alone scope, the Ward d vision is an add-onto an existing scope similar to the NV007
So, you need to choose between having a dedicated scope on your rifle which works well both day and night (the 008) or having a regular glass scope on your rifle for daytime work and then attaching an add-on to the rear of your scope for NV work.
Here are a few things you might want to consider when making your decision:
If you are in Scotland and you plan to shoot deer, then you can't use the 008 - it must be a glass scope or iron sights.
I'm not sure if that also applies to England and Wales
Any decent glass scope will give a sharper daytime image than the 008, but the 008 is more than good enough for rabbits and foxes out to 200 yards.
If you go down the add-on route, you need the right type of scope to get the best out of the add-on, specifically:
Large objective lens (at least 50mm)
Focus adjustment (adjustable objective or side parallax) down to less than 20 yards
Low base magnification and not stupidly high top end magnification (stuff like 8-32 is a waste of time)
The 007 add-on includes an excellent built in IR illuminator.
The Ward d vision is much more expensive and you will also need to buy an illuminator

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Orion]

Evening, can someone tell me how the pard nv008 compares to the Ward d vision

Cheers

For a start the Pard NV008 is a stand-alone unit and the Ward is an add-on to an existing scope.

Comparing like for like it would be the Pard NVO07 v the Ward.

As above the Ward has better definition at longer ranges but the Pard has video and still recording built-in and less than half the price.

I had a Ward, now use the Pard - on Sightron S-Tac scopes.

 

[monty]

Thanks for replies gents, I should have been clearer, I realise Ward is an add on and the nv008 is a dedicated scope I just wondered if one had a much clearer image than the other if compared side by side. Thanks again for taking the time

 

[mealiejimmy]

The NV008 uses a much higher resolution camera (2.1 MP, Full HD), while the camera in the Ward has much lower resolution (approx 0.5Mp)
That means the image quality with the PARD is significantly better than the WARD
However the camera in the Ward is much more sensitive to IR light than the PARD and the WARD can produce a perfectly acceptable image at IR light levels which would produce not much more than a blur on the PARD
Until recently, the WARD would be the overall winner, but the advent of a new generation of IR laser illuminators has changed the game.
These new illuminators (one of which is built into the PARD) are so much brighter than LED illuminators that the relatively low sensitivity PARD can now get enough light to produce a high resolution image at ranges too far to shoot.
I have a PARD NV008 on a 22 and a 22 hornet and for ranges out to 200 yards (with the hornet) the inbuilt illuminator is more than sufficient.
I like the fact that I don't have to use a different scope for daytime use or faff around fitting an add-on and compromising my shooting position to use it.
If you decide that your prefer an add-on to a dedicated sight, then IMHO, the PARD NV007 is a better bang for your buck than the Ward

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Eric the Red]

The ATN X-Sight is now rather old hat and as has been amply described troubled with glitches and warranty processing.

I'd just add the Sightmark Wraith as a new boy on the block as a contender in this space - looks to be very good.

 

[PJK]

env 10 or 15 best scope out there

 

[mealiejimmy]

The X Sight 2 is definitely old hat, but the X Sight 4K is pretty much up to date. However, I fully agree about ATNs lack of back up and service.
It has been absolutely dreadful for so long that most folk who have been into night vision/thermal for any length of time simply won't touch their products (good or bad) with a barge pole
We don't have many (any??) UK reviews of the Wraith, but from looking at the specs and youtube videos from the USA, I don't think it compares favourably against the PAD NV008.
The Wraith is much heavier (more than twice as heavy)and comes with a pretty crap externally mounted LED illuminator.
It uses a similar full HD sensor to the PARD, so it's not going to be any more light sensitive than the PARD, which means that its LED illuminator is not going to give it anything like the range and clarity of the 008 (which has an excellent, onboard IR laser illuminator)
Both have wifi and video recording, but for some reason the Wraith does not record sound
The PARD comes with a custom mount which ensure the scope comes back far enough so that the shooting position is not compromised.
An additional extension mount will likely be needed to get the Wraith in a comfortable position for shooting.
Only Scott Country appear to be selling the Wraith and they have no stock ( I don't think it has ever actually come into stock) and they want £700 for it.
There are plenty of UK based PARD NV008 sellers and they can be bought for less than £550

Cheers

Bruce

 

[SussexSteve]

Pard 008 is a brilliant piece of kit ive just ordered one to go on a 22LR(will be my 3rd)..Not sure id want to risk a black eye on the 308? Bought mine from Mcloeds of Tain great people to deal with and superb back up.. Pm Toby for the price I am very very happy with what I paid !!

 

[RifleTuner]

Anyone actually shooting a pard 008 on a 308 win? just wondered how the eye relief holds up? Most commenting here seem to only be running their 008s on lighter recoilers like 22 cals.

 

[stoker150]

Hello yes I have one on my .308 yes had snipers kiss a couple of times with it so watch out for eye relief. I’m tempted to get a 2 stage trigger to see if That helps. I think the pard is excellent for the price. Have gotten a 20 moa rail in the hope that it will help get it zeroed. Good luck with it