Anyone else disappointed with Leica amplus 6

I have a 3-18x44 with the L-4w reticle which is a really good reticle in my opinion and more SFP hunting scopes should have this type of reticle with a similar magnification range. You would be cranked up to max mag when shooting at distance where wind calls are needed, so the reticle subtending correctly at those ranges is what you need without a FFP reticle getting too large or too small when wound up or down. I think x18 is spot on for most .22CF use at distance.

The dimensions are good, weight is fine, elevation turret is good and the mechanics are spot on. I recall taking a Muntjac at 290yds with my .222rem and i hit it perfectly to the inch. Same experience on paper when testing the mechanics. Also very robust and solid build quality wise.

It is close to the perfect .22CF scope to be honest.

BUT, I agree that optically it is not as good as I thought it might be. Other scopes I use are S&B Polar T96, March Compact and Delta Titanium HD's. Obviously the Polar and March are better in terms of clarity, contrast, colour and the Polar dicks on everything for brightness but the Delta, in my opinion, is better optically than the Leica in all respects. That is not necessarily a slant on the Leica as the Delta is a super super clear scope and I don't think people realise quite how good those scopes are in terms of brightness, last light and resolution. I will say that the Delta does not track anywhere near as well though. The Leica is perfect mechanically. On a par with the March and that is saying something.

It is so close to the perfect scope. It is not focus fussy but the diopter always feels like I cannot quite get the reticle 100% crisp. We are talking minute amounts of me being fussy here and I am used to very good glass but I just feel it should be a touch better. And the edge to edge clarity is not quite there compared to the really good stuff. I certainly do not expect a last light monster from it but it is certainly good enough without being amazing.

I recall saying similar a while back and some other owners were a little defensive and claimed their Amplus scopes were top tier. It is not top tier glass. It is definitely decent and I have never felt that it has held my hunting back in any way. In fact I have made some amazing shots with it on muntjac, squirrels and corvids.

I know it is not cheap but it is also not super expensive. It is in that range price wise where you probably feel entitled to get something a touch stronger optically speaking. If it were an obvious mid range scope, say around £800, you would be over the moon with it. I kind of see it as an honest £900 scope with a coupla hundred quid extra bunged on top for the Leica name and another coupla hundred quid for the solid, reliable, repeatable nature of the build and mechanics.

I was really hoping it would be a genuine cheaper competitor to my March Compact 2.5-25x42 which I have had for years. The Leica is maybe marginally better at last light but the reality is that the March is basically better at everything else. But it should be when you consider how much it was god knows how many years ago.

The question is, what is there out there that can genuinely compete with it in that price range? The Vortex on paper might seem a contender but genuinely it is not built as well and the reticle is not as good for me. I also dislike the way Vortex just replace stuff when it breaks. I know they don't value their build quality and it speaks volumes that it is more financially prudent for them to give new optics out rather than fix something. Even Delta repaired a scope for me when I had an issue with it. Sightron and Vortex have both refused to fix stuff and just dished out new scopes instead. I don't like that personally. It says much about their QC and manufacturing quality and how cheaply they must make their stuff for it to be more economincally viable to give out brand new optics.

It is a tough one but really there is no perfect scope out there. All of them have some drawbacks. I could moan about at least 3 things on the Polar T96 despite it being an amazing scope.

This picture was taken around the 400yd mark using my phone camera. I know phone cameras don't exactly punch out great shots when trying to hold them steady behind an ocular but I have always felt the image just lacks the pop and clarity of some proper top tier scopes. Basically 1300 odd quid doesn't buy you really top end stuff. It buys you decent stuff but the Leica Amplus series of scopes are not Zeiss HT/Polar T96 optics for mid range money. It is basically entry level fare from Leica.

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Thanks for detailed reply,it pretty much sums up everything one should know before buying amplus 6 👍. Yes they look very well made but the glass is just not up to the hype from the most of reviews
 
For the same money, I buy used and get a better scope. This does demonstrate that scopes are subjective beyond the mechanical features. I love my Vortex Razor bino’s vs Swarovski SLC’s and can’t fault my Swarovski Z4i against anything. I use an older Swarovski Habicht in the woods that should outperform newer scopes but does - for me. I also use a Delta Titanium on my .17hmr - good enough for what I want. I think chasing the perfect image is like chasing the bull for a perfect zero. You can if you want but will likely be disappointed.
Thanks for your reply mate, I never chased perfect image just expected to be better than some 15 years old scopes and than scope for half of the price
 
I have the Mk 1 Leica Magnus i 2.4-16 x56 on two of my rifles and a swarovski Z6 56 on another and way prefer the optics of the Leica.. The only drawback with the Magnus Mk 1 is it eats through batteries for the red dot, I believe there was a mod to help this, but mine were never done..
 
I have the Mk 1 Leica Magnus i 2.4-16 x56 on two of my rifles and a swarovski Z6 56 on another and way prefer the optics of the Leica.. The only drawback with the Magnus Mk 1 is it eats through batteries for the red dot, I believe there was a mod to help this, but mine were never done..
The Magnus is a lovely scope. I agree, one of the best images I have seen resolved through a riflescope.

But it is an entirely different scope to the Amplus. It just happens to be made by the same company but it is twice the price. 100% more.

So it should be much much better and quelle surprise, it is.

For some reason the Amplus seems to have suffered with expectation shock. Like someone buying a Ford Focus and expecting a GT40. Price wise it sits in a weird range and doesn't really achieve anything special apart from to those who really covet a particular type of scope and accept that all scopes have compromises in some way.

For the last couple of years I have looked at the newer March scopes thinking they really do look like the answer to everything I want. They just cost an absolute bomb though. Nothing is perfect. Maybe one day I will bite the bullet and get one as I really covet scopes that are dimensionally fine and weigh as little as poss whilst not losing out on mechanics and reliability. It all comes at cost though and there is a limit of diminishing returns where you start questioning your sanity.

It is expensive being a glass whore and eventually you accept you are trying to achieve the impossible and paying for it greatly.
 
It is expensive being a glass whore and eventually you accept you are trying to achieve the impossible and paying for it greatly.
I do agree that glass clarity chasing can cost you very dear.. Its a shame to hear that the newer Leica offerings are not the same quality glass though as the Magnus, but you have a point about price.. I have to hold my hand up that I have never looked through a Amplus, always assumed that the Leica name would mean a quality product... lesson learnt.. I have learnt a lesson or two with the Hikmicro Alpex 4K and the Habrok Pro binoculars.. I do not like the Alpex at all compared with good glass, but its one saving grace is that it gives the magic extra 10-15 minutes just at the end/start of legal light when its "deer o'clock" and they are out of the cover..If the Alpex failed in this regard I would immediately get rid of it, I just do not think its designed that well or well made, same with the Habrok Pro binoculars, they give a great display in night/thermal mode.. Day optics are just about ok, but their build quality and some aspects of the design are poor.. I will not buy another of the Hikmicro products and will give further "tech" purchases much more thought/testing before handing over the cash.
 
Talking to the guy on the Leica stand at the Stalking Show, he mentioned the Fortis as the best bang for your buck, apparently if I understood correctly, it has the Magnus optics but you save because it doesn't have the ballistic turret.

David.
 
Talking to the guy on the Leica stand at the Stalking Show, he mentioned the Fortis as the best bang for your buck, apparently if I understood correctly, it has the Magnus optics but you save because it doesn't have the ballistic turret.

David.
The Fortis range do have the Magnus optics as you say, but they also have the same ballistic turret as Magnus (it’s an option for both ranges). What Fortis doesn’t have is the ridiculous illumination control turret mounted on the Magnus ocular lens housing. The number of illumination settings is less on the Fortis (9), compared to the Magnus (60 or so).

The Fortis range is excellent.
 
I do agree that glass clarity chasing can cost you very dear.. Its a shame to hear that the newer Leica offerings are not the same quality glass though as the Magnus, but you have a point about price.. I have to hold my hand up that I have never looked through a Amplus, always assumed that the Leica name would mean a quality product... lesson learnt.. I have learnt a lesson or two with the Hikmicro Alpex 4K and the Habrok Pro binoculars.. I do not like the Alpex at all compared with good glass, but its one saving grace is that it gives the magic extra 10-15 minutes just at the end/start of legal light when its "deer o'clock" and they are out of the cover..If the Alpex failed in this regard I would immediately get rid of it, I just do not think its designed that well or well made, same with the Habrok Pro binoculars, they give a great display in night/thermal mode.. Day optics are just about ok, but their build quality and some aspects of the design are poor.. I will not buy another of the Hikmicro products and will give further "tech" purchases much more thought/testing before handing over the cash.
I can understand yours frustration about the habrok cause I have had the ln25 and now the hw35. but I think you should look at the question with another prospective. On my rifles I have almost Leica (Magnus and Eri two Zeiss 4 and 6 and Docter for kipplaufs) and one Pulsar Talion. I am also found of Leicas binos but, since I met the Habrok, the my noctivid is collecting dust in the drawer. Much easier, fast and effective finding identifying shooting and tracking boars with a multi spectral device. Luckly I am forced to use a classic scope for all deers because night hunting is allowed here only for pigs. Do I like better the Hikmicro? nope, but it is very useful to me. Would I shell out more moneys for more costly and refined elettronics devices? Possibly not because I feel those as mere tools and I know how fast they become obsolete and/or may stop working without alerting you. And this Is the main reason I buy mid and not top classes battery driven products. I never feelt this risks with classic optical (glass) Instruments so I tend to buy the best I can. Or at least those I like more. infact I don't have and never had a Swarovski, and I kow they are good.
 
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I can understand yours frustration about the habrok cause I have had the ln25 and now the hw35. but I think you should look at the question with another prospective. On my rifles I have almost Leica (Magnus and Eri two Zeiss 4 and 6 and Docter for kipplaufs) and one Pulsar Talion. I am also found of Leicas binos but, since I met the Habrok, the my noctivid is collecting dust in the drawer. Much easier, fast and effective finding identifying shooting and tracking boars with a multi spectral device. Luckly I am forced to use a classic scope for all deers because night hunting is allowed here only for pigs. Do I like better the Hikmicro? nope, but it is very useful to me. Would I shell out more moneys for more costly and refined elettronics devices? Possibly not because I feel those as mere tools and I know how fast they become obsolete and/or may stop working without alerting you. And this Is the main reason I buy mid and not top classes battery driven products. I never feelt this risks with classic optical (glass) Instruments so I tend to buy the best I can. Or at least those I like more. infact I don't have and never had a Swarovski, and I kow they are good.
The products with advanced electronics ( night/thermal coupled with laser ranging etc ) now give the hunter the edge in low light conditions, in the way that the telescopic sight gave a hunter an advantage over iron sights in daylight. I purchased the Habrok Pro and Alpex for these advantages and the fact that what was three pieces of kit to carry are now combined into one with the Habrok. For me the reduction in weight to carry ( in the case of the Habroks ) was seen as a major positive. However, I have found that the products are just not built or designed that robustly or for long term use, my interaction with the import company to repair/replace almost new items has todate been very poor, certainly not what I expected and certainly not on a level with the likes of leica or swarovski. This is enough to stop me purchasing any more tech products from this company. My other longer term concern is the fast advances in civilian night vision/thermal electronics quickly date the piece of kit, this is happening at a pace much much faster than seen with optics. I am thinking about replacing the Alpex with a Thermal scope, but it is not something I am going to rush into..
 
I dont know if it is an issue with the particular model of Amplus 6 you have because I find the 2.5-15x56 really good. I feel that for the money it is good value with a good specification. In fact so much so that I was thinking of getting the 3-18x44 for a different rifle. Maybe I will physically see one before commitng!
 
I dont know if it is an issue with the particular model of Amplus 6 you have because I find the 2.5-15x56 really good. I feel that for the money it is good value with a good specification. In fact so much so that I was thinking of getting the 3-18x44 for a different rifle. Maybe I will physically see one before commitng
Took it to the range today and when it's focused at 100m parallax knob is pointing just between last two bars , I mean way past 100m mark. Is yours parallax correct with 100m mark?
 
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