Approved BASC DSC 1 Trainers

[Peterm]

As requested, I have listed all those trainers who are BASC Approved to deliver DSC 1 courses. There are a few others who wish to remain unpublished. Those trainers who are approved, have been through the BASC Quality Assurance procedures, and therefore BASC is more than happy to recommend these as quality trainers. Any of those who currently provide briefings leading up to an assessment only DSC 1, (with a BASC Assessor) may if they wish to, submit their training course/trainer for 'DSC 1 Approved Trainer' status. Please contact Sue Griffith in the first instance with your contact details Tel: 01244573018 or e-mail Sue.griffith@basc.org.uk

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DSC 1 – BASC Approved Trainers ​

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[TD]County
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[TD="width: 128"]Venues
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[TD="width: 123"]Contact No
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184"]Email
[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]P Pursglove
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Staffordshire
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]UK
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07989 423147
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]peter.pursglove@btinternet.com
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]J Stewart
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Somerset
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]South West
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07501 830026
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]jamiewcws@yahoo.co.uk
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]K Cann
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Cornwall
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]South West
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07920 426328
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]keithcann@talktalk.net
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]D Muir
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Tayside
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Scotland
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01350 723226
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]donald.muir@basc.org.uk
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]C Brooks
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Suffolk
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Eastern
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01284 728752
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]chris.brooks@basc.org.uk
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]T Davies
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Dorset/Somerset
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]South West
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07771 888007
01963 210060
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]mobile@greenfieldsforest.co.uk
mobile@weboland.com
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]J Snowdon
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Northumberland
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Northern
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01434 344067
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]greenleehouse@aol.com
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]P Crehan
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]S Yorks
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]UK
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01302 722159
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]paul@crehan.plus.com
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]G Heggs
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Ayrshire
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Ayrshire
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07831 750618
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]glen.heggs@upm.com
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]J Allan
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Banffshire
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Scotland
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01807 500282
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]j.allan121@btinternet.com
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]A Head
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Norfolk
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Eastern
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07557 399924
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]andrew_head1@btopenworld.com
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]T Banham
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Suffolk
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Suffolk
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01842 816035
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]Trevor.banham@forestry.gsi.gov.uk
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]J Speed
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Shropshire
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Shropshire
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07799 222311
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]eijon@tiscali.co.uk
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]D Stretton
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Derby
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Derbyshire
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01332 810757
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]david.stretton@btconnect.com
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]M Burrage
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Suffolk
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]East Anglia
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07771 990585
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]mark@wilddeer.co.uk
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]A Papworth
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Cambridgeshire
[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]East & South East
[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01487 710845
[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]ajpapworth@btinternet.com
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[Double four]

I did the ds1 with Paul Crehan south yorks good bloke and very knowledgeble put things over in a way that even stuck in my dyslecsic head.

Would deffo reccomend him. DF

 

[widows son]

As requested, I have listed all those trainers who are BASC Approved to deliver DSC 1 courses. There are a few others who wish to remain unpublished. Those trainers who are approved, have been through the BASC Quality Assurance procedures, and therefore BASC is more than happy to recommend these as quality trainers. Any of those who currently provide briefings leading up to an assessment only DSC 1, (with a BASC Assessor) may if they wish to, submit their training course/trainer for 'DSC 1 Approved Trainer' status. Please contact Sue Griffith in the first instance with your contact details Tel: 01244573018 or e-mail Sue.griffith@basc.org.uk

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DSC 1 – BASC Approved Trainers ​

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[TD]County[/TD]
[TD]Venues[/TD]
[TD]Contact No[/TD]
[TD]Email[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]P Pursglove[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Staffordshire [/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]UK[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07989 423147[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]peter.pursglove@btinternet.com[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]J Stewart[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Somerset[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]South West[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07501 830026[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]jamiewcws@yahoo.co.uk[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]K Cann[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Cornwall[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]South West[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07920 426328[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]keithcann@talktalk.net[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]D Muir[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Tayside[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Scotland[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01350 723226[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]donald.muir@basc.org.uk[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]C Brooks[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Suffolk[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Eastern [/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01284 728752[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]chris.brooks@basc.org.uk[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]T Davies[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Dorset/Somerset[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]South West[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07771 888007
01963 210060[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]mobile@greenfieldsforest.co.uk
mobile@weboland.com[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]J Snowdon[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Northumberland[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Northern[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01434 344067[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]greenleehouse@aol.com[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]P Crehan[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]S Yorks[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]UK[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01302 722159[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]paul@crehan.plus.com[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]G Heggs[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Ayrshire[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Ayrshire[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07831 750618[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]glen.heggs@upm.com[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]J Allan[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Banffshire[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Scotland[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01807 500282[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]j.allan121@btinternet.com[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]A Head[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Norfolk[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Eastern [/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07557 399924[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]andrew_head1@btopenworld.com[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]T Banham[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Suffolk[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Suffolk[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01842 816035[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]Trevor.banham@forestry.gsi.gov.uk[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]J Speed[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Shropshire[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Shropshire[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07799 222311[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]eijon@tiscali.co.uk[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]D Stretton[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Derby[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]Derbyshire[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01332 810757[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]david.stretton@btconnect.com[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]M Burrage[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Suffolk[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]East Anglia[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]07771 990585[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]mark@wilddeer.co.uk[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 132, bgcolor: transparent"]A Papworth[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Cambridgeshire[/TD]
[TD="width: 128, bgcolor: transparent"]East & South East[/TD]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: transparent"]01487 710845[/TD]
[TD="width: 184, bgcolor: transparent"]ajpapworth@btinternet.com[/TD]
[/TR]
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This list whilst there are many quality people on it ,it is a whole load of crap ,approved people have you not notice, what they and what ever other provider teaches is the same ciriclum nothing different at all .

So why are we now making approved lists of preferred providers, that make a total mockery of the other providers that are not on the list of approved providers ,and makes a total joke of the whole system placing individuals on a pedestal .

This is BASC at there best ,look how good we're not .

 

[prometheus]

Is there a BDS list too and any other bodies list also not mentioned Widows Son ?
I know the list can't be exhaustive because an obvious omission is Jelen, there must be others, but who's list are they on ?

 

[Chanty Wrassler]

who's list are they on ?

Ko-Ko has got a little list

 

[Paul at Fechan]

as one of the 'other' not BASC approved providers on SD where many providers come together, I have to say that a link back to a BASC website page relaying the providers information would have fairer than an all out UK wide advert for BASC providers only.

 

[Shabz]

Are the barony courses nothing to do with BASC Paul? I'd have gone there for my dsc1 if I'd known. Can't abide BASC.

 

[6pointer]

PeterM Looks like you have just shot your self in the foot and may i ask who all requested a list of BASC only trainers.??

 

[Jelendeer]

Who does the approving? ...... How do you get to be approved?

Should SD be putting a list together of approved independent trainers? ....... But if they did how will they be approved?

 

[barry thom]

Who does the approving? ...... How do you get to be approved?

Should SD be putting a list together of approved independent trainers? ....... But if they did how will they be approved?

+1

And who approves the approvers???


ATB Barry

 

[Apache]

I'd have thought that the only list BASC would have would be their own trainers!

If the DSC/DMQ has any creditability then there has to be procedures to stop anyone doing a course to their own agenda. The exams must be conducted properly and random inspections or supervision of these would be wise. It is a 'qualification' that is given a lot of weight by some, but what's to stop me running a course and telling the participants the answers and then coming on here boasting of my 100% success rates!

To my mind for it to mean anything people must fail it! Maybe allow a single re-test of any failed element then have to retake the whole thing 6mth+ later. The exams must be done properly and in a little classroom somewhere where anything could go on. If you turn up, pay your money nand get the certificate it becomes almost worthless.

I'm not sure I am terribly in favour of ANYONE running these course (actually I'm happy anyone running the course, but think DMQ should handle the examination process).

I did exam only with a BASC chap who is not on the list and was very professional. I would recommend him highly.

 

[Jelendeer]

I thought DMQ DID handle the examination process!!!! ...... Are you saying that some people run courses and then assess their own examinations???? ....

 

[roestalker]

Peterm did mention anyone training interested in the approved system should conatc Sue riffith at BASC, nothing secret about it.

Some cynicism potsed on this thread. The approved system is simply a BASC assessment centre control to ensure anyone with approved status is:

Qualified: The qualification is done outside of the system.

Assessed: Each approved trainer is regularly assessed thus ensuring they meet the high standard and provide excellent training.

Guarantee: It is a guarantee to the user that they are going to a reliable trainer.

As to the list being unfair and should not have been posted on SD, come off it everyone who is a trade member advertises every time they post a thread - myself at Greenlee, Moray, Byrony, Jelen - why shouldn't BASC? Peterm was asked for a list and he produced it, all who are on the list were asked if they were happy to do so prior to publication, one or two preferred not to simple as that. A BASC assessor or trainer who is not on the published list is almost certainly approved, no one can carry out the service unless they are.

There are some who are anti BASC and cynical about DSC, that is entirely their prerogative however thousands have taken DSC awards and obviously disagree with that attitude. BASC have simply issued a quality control system that ensures any trainers using BASC as a centre meet an excellent standard and the users can be assured of that.

Not being on the list certainly does not denegrate anyones training or qualification, it is just that an approved trainer has been vetted, gained the external qualification, assessed and approved by the BASC assessment centre. A quality control that the end user can see is reliable.
The cynics seemed to have forgotten that the awards over the years have actually protected the sport.

As someone said recently "we are all in this together" .

Best regards to all,

Jon.

 

[Moray Outfitting]

Jon

An excellent post

 

[ytene]

BASC sponsored AWs are on an Approved List...BASC DSC1 Trainers are responsible to the Invigilating Assessor for delivery of the Written/ID/ Shooting Test..if standards are found wanting, they would re-brief the Trainers, then the Internal/External Verifiers provide another tier of Quality Control...so where is the problem?

 

[Eric the Red]

Peterm did mention anyone training interested in the approved system should conatc Sue riffith at BASC, nothing secret about it.

Some cynicism potsed on this thread. The approved system is simply a BASC assessment centre control to ensure anyone with approved status is:

Qualified: The qualification is done outside of the system.

Assessed: Each approved trainer is regularly assessed thus ensuring they meet the high standard and provide excellent training.

Guarantee: It is a guarantee to the user that they are going to a reliable trainer.

As to the list being unfair and should not have been posted on SD, come off it everyone who is a trade member advertises every time they post a thread - myself at Greenlee, Moray, Byrony, Jelen - why shouldn't BASC? Peterm was asked for a list and he produced it, all who are on the list were asked if they were happy to do so prior to publication, one or two preferred not to simple as that. A BASC assessor or trainer who is not on the published list is almost certainly approved, no one can carry out the service unless they are.

There are some who are anti BASC and cynical about DSC, that is entirely their prerogative however thousands have taken DSC awards and obviously disagree with that attitude. BASC have simply issued a quality control system that ensures any trainers using BASC as a centre meet an excellent standard and the users can be assured of that.

Not being on the list certainly does not denegrate anyones training or qualification, it is just that an approved trainer has been vetted, gained the external qualification, assessed and approved by the BASC assessment centre. A quality control that the end user can see is reliable.
The cynics seemed to have forgotten that the awards over the years have actually protected the sport.

As someone said recently "we are all in this together" .

Best regards to all,

Jon.

Jon,

I am a keen supporter of the DSC (and a current memeber of BASC) and would love to be able to completely support your statement as that is the way it probably should be - but I regret I cannot, as it isn't.

I recently had cause to investigate this matter in some detail. As context - I am an Educational Consultant, working for a large Systems Integrator. I was tasked with looking at Awarding Bodies by a Government Department who wish to standardise and centralise data produced from AB's to ensure standards, quality and ease of authentication of qualifications for students and employers alike. As a keen deer stalker, I thought I would look at 'our' qualification position as it was one of the more simple ones to use as a case study - or so I thought.

DMQ are the awarding body in this case. They happen to be almost wholly owned by BASC and be managed by BASC staff - but BASC are only one of the Approved Assessment Centres of DMQ (- the remainder BTW, all sit on the board of DMQ - work that one out!). It would seem there are no DMQ approved Training Centres as this would be contrary to the task they have set themselves (of managing the qualification) and the openness of the qualification. I wrote to DMQ to ask about the process of becoming an Assessment Centre and howthe quality standard in Assessment Centres was maintained - and was told to mind my own business. I wrote again and was told there was no process and that there was no room for any additional Assessment Centres and the management of quality was an internal issue. In the absence of any open process and a lock down by the system, what conclusions should I be drawing from this? Complete confidence in an open system where the Assessment is accountable as a minimum to those who take the qualification?

There would appear to be some confusion here around BASC as a training provider, BASC as an Assessment Centre and BASC as an independent information hub for its members and the sport in general - these aspects, while implicitly linked should be treated as separate entities. There are several training companies, not on the list as mentioned, who use the BASC Assessment Centre. Others will doubtless use other Assessment Centres. As such, I'm not sure of the benefit of being approved by one of the Assessment Centres, nor do I believe it is in BASC's gift to approve training centres or otherwise in the manner in which this comes across - it may well be able to recommend them to its membership, but there is surely a conflict of interest here - as highlighted by Apache in an earlier post.

 

[widows son]

Peterm did mention anyone training interested in the approved system should conatc Sue riffith at BASC, nothing secret about it.

Some cynicism potsed on this thread. The approved system is simply a BASC assessment centre control to ensure anyone with approved status is:

Qualified: The qualification is done outside of the system.

Assessed: Each approved trainer is regularly assessed thus ensuring they meet the high standard and provide excellent training.

Guarantee: It is a guarantee to the user that they are going to a reliable trainer.

As to the list being unfair and should not have been posted on SD, come off it everyone who is a trade member advertises every time they post a thread - myself at Greenlee, Moray, Byrony, Jelen - why shouldn't BASC? Peterm was asked for a list and he produced it, all who are on the list were asked if they were happy to do so prior to publication, one or two preferred not to simple as that. A BASC assessor or trainer who is not on the published list is almost certainly approved, no one can carry out the service unless they are.

There are some who are anti BASC and cynical about DSC, that is entirely their prerogative however thousands have taken DSC awards and obviously disagree with that attitude. BASC have simply issued a quality control system that ensures any trainers using BASC as a centre meet an excellent standard and the users can be assured of that.

Not being on the list certainly does not denegrate anyones training or qualification, it is just that an approved trainer has been vetted, gained the external qualification, Really that will be a A1 OR V1. Assessor Qualification then assessed and approved by the BASC assessment centre. A quality control that the end user can see is reliable. there all reliable centres and people their are providing a service.
The cynics seemed to have forgotten that the awards over the years have actually protected the sport. No they don't they have not became law in any way shape or form as yet there are police forces in England that do not recognise, them and still imply a moderation condition on a FAC.

As someone said recently "we are all in this together" .Are we, so why is there a list been compiled putting people on pedestals if this is so .

Best regards to all,

Jon.

BASC is great at adding look what we have done, looking like this is something else to add to a variance of things these days some i don't agree with one namely is when theres a human shooting incident there sticking their nose in assuring the shooters of the country everything is ok certainly not why i pay my money.

There are however centres in the country that must be thinking if they have read this, what are the doing wrong, not to be on the said Quality assured list IE Barony college North highland college and Sparsholt college they are all quality educational Establishments with the correct qualifications to teach the said material.

Then theres the approved witnesses, again who watch and write out the level two portfolios, with no one putting them on a pedestal who says anyone of them actually knows what there talking about to know right from wrong .

 

[Eric the Red]

BASC is great at adding look what we have done, looking like this is something else to add to a variance of things these days some i don't agree with one namely is when theres a human shooting incident there sticking their nose in assuring the shooters of the country everything is ok certainly not why i pay my money.

There are however centres in the country that must be thinking if they have read this, what are the doing wrong, not to be on the said Quality assured list IE Barony college North highland college and Sparsholt college they are all quality educational Establishments with the correct qualifications to teach the said material.

Then theres the approved witnesses, again who watch and write out the level two portfolios, with no one putting them on a pedestal who says anyone of them actually knows what there talking about to know right from wrong .

To be fair WS, the three establishments you mention are Assessment Centres in their own right - but as you say, are they not good enough to be recommended by BASC as well then? Interesting chat to be had at the next DMQ board meeting about self advancement I am sure......

 

[Peterm]

I will try and answer some of the 'questions' posed?
I was asked to publish a list of Approved BASC trainers - which I have done.
Approved Trainers are those that BASC would be more than happy to use as their own trainers. They are quality assurred and their training has been periodically evaluated by an experienced and qualified member of Staff.
There are a number of DMQ Assessment centres (Off the top of my head I believe there are 9), BASC is just one of them.
DMQ is not run by BASC!
DMQ has a board of Directors which include representatives from all the major representative stakeholders and Shooting organisations. BASC is one of these. So are the CA, GWCT, NGO, BDS, etc....

I hope this clears things up a little
Peter

 

[Moray Outfitting]

Everyone,

A long one!

Apologies for the delay in a fuller response to this thread. There has been a lot to think about – in terms of the actual statements being made by various parties, issues regards who has posted and the basis of what has been said and not least the emotions raised by the relatively aggressive nature of a number of the posts.

Debate is good and this is an open forum for views to be expressed, opinions can be misconstrued as facts and the written word easily read out of context – but the general thrust of this thread so far had been too heated to provide proper debate. PeterM did not post his original thread as an advert – it is arguable whether he should have done so, but Admin have not stepped in so will take as it stands. On that basis comments are valid that would otherwise be wholly unacceptable on an advertising thread.

The intention of this post is to add to the debate, not inflame matters further, nor is it to cast any personal aspersions – though some of the things we wish to include unavoidably focus upon names. That aspect is not a personal attack, but seeks to clarify positions relevant to the debate here.

We are a business that provides ( amongst other things ) Training and Assessment under the auspices of the BASC and the DSC scheme. We are listed by virtue of the business owner – John Allan being one of the Assessors listed at the start. This is being typed by Andy – I am employed by John in this business and the content reflects the views of the business and us as individuals.

DMQ

The organisation of DMQ is covered briefly on their website, please refer here –

http://www.dmq.org.uk/about.htm

The page is copyright protected, so I merely post the link to it.

Whilst not in great detail, that’s the position folks. That does not accord with some of the comments made on this thread. The opening thread was about one Assessment Provider and their arrangements.


BASC / BDS

The role of the BASC is noted in the above thread.
The role of the BDS is noted in the above thread.

You may have personal issues with one, both or more of the various organisations – the others are listed as Supporting Organisations.

You are entitled to views – this is a free country and a forum. But expressing views and veiled attack are two different animals.

Are the BASC or BDS perfect – by no means. But taking a broad view they and the other Supporting Organisations do more good than harm both across the shooting scene and in the operation of DSC. Whatever personal views there are, the DSC process as a whole has been a success.

If you have a gripe/ dislike – you are welcome to express it appropriately. If you have a very real concern then take it up with the relevant authorities – there’s plenty to choose from – 27 SO’s to start with – including Government Departments. I am not aware that any of these bodies are expressing significant disquiet about any internal activity – so make them aware.

Otherwise every time BASC or BDS post we get the same kind of posts – that ultimately just obscures the original thread. Its happened here again. We all end up caught in a loop that benefits no one.


ASSESSORS ( BASC APPROVED OR NOT )/ APPROVED WITNESSES

All Assessors and all Approved Witnesses are aligned with an Assessment Centre – ALL.

There are a number of Assessment Centres, the BASC is but one. If you have issues with any one of the AC’s, go elsewhere – individuals have that choice.

All centres offering Assessment should make it clear up front with whom they are aligned. If not – just ask.

Only Assessors can operate the actual testing process. That in no way stops individuals or entities offering training/ training products. The ultimate quality check is that the examination process will be conducted/ overseen by an Assessor.

There are a finite number of Assessors. Each must demonstrate the qualification and ability to do the role and is trained for it. There is a process – whatever you may think.
Why a finite number? Each has to be administered and paid – cost implication. There are equally an infinite number of people wishing to take DSC. Is there a perceived material shortfall in available Assessors?

Perfectly understand that some individuals – and particularly training providers would like to become Assessors – that’s an entirely logical progression. The numbers issue is for DMQ to judge. As far as we know, no one is excluded from offering training or assessment – but must employ one of the Assessors to deliver the assessment element. The control is that the trained, qualified (and answerable to their sponsoring AC) Assessor must be satisfied with the arrangements and conduct of any such scheme. No Assessor is going to risk their position by supporting an inappropriate operation. If they do, there are sanctions.

The original thread listed Assessors that are aligned to the BASC. The BASC operates a specific quality system leading to Approved Assessor and Approved Trainer status – Stalking School holds both and so do many others. The door was open in the first post for any provider ( using a BASC Assessor ) who wished to be considered for Approved Trainer status.

That’s the way the BASC do it. Nothing further is intimated/ implied. ALL ASSESSORS must work to a standard. There was no imputation on any other provider. To read otherwise would ultimately mean we had to question every advert, by anyone, as prejudicing another provider.


ISSUES

It was asked ‘why put out this list’? And yet there had been numerous other posts on the Forum taking issue with having to be a BASC member to attend the direct BASC courses and the inconvenient timing/ location or availability of places on BASC courses listed. Other threads have debated – very well we feel – that a range of styles and study options is a good thing – providing the choice to go for the process that suits the individual. There is a common Assessment programme, but a variety of methods of study toward that – is this not a good thing?

This thread is another option amongst them. It doesn’t claim to be the only option.

BASC requires membership for their direct courses because of the requirement for membership of the BASC Rifle Club in order to access certain range facilities. That restriction doesn’t apply to courses operated by many of the people on the list. This thread didn’t appear from nowhere – it’s a response to previous feedback. Or could be the BASC just grandstanding. You choose which seems the most likely – prejudice or other agenda aside.

The list provides access to other courses than those listed by BASC direct – giving further options. Many of the Assessors listed work for other providers – such as Jelen.

It does not list every other available provider – which other of those providers do the same? There is no impediment to their publicising their own offers – without impinging upon the listing of another.


Paul & Barony

Barony is one of the SO’s. Paul is highly regarded on and off the forum. There are many unique features to the offers from Barony – which he regularly advertises here. In those adverts, would he expect BASC, us, Jelen, Greenlee etc to openly query those offers?


JELEN - YTENE - ERIC THE RED

Jelen is a highly regarded member of the forum and unarguably a very popular provider of DSC.

Please do not take this at all personally, but your combined posts are perplexing.

If we are incorrect here, then our unreserved apology and we will issue an unreserved retraction – but is it not the case that YTENE and Eric the Red have a business relationship with Jelen?

There are very likely previous posts on this, but given the nature of this thread and what has been said; we believe it would have been best practise to declare that interest at the outset of the posts and make clear whether speaking as individuals or on the part of the business.

In terms of Jelen’s first post – we believe that you utilise Peter Pursglove ( amongst others ) as your Assessor for courses. That is absolutely fine and exactly how the system operates. In that vein – you are effectively on the list regards Approved Assessor and the door was open to apply for Approved Trainer if you so wished.

The query is why not take up your question with the Assessors that you use? The posting here seems, with respect, misplaced.

Subject to the position above regards business relationship, no issue with Ytene’s post and broadly agree.

Eric the Red’s post reads strangely - given his apparent position with Jelen – in the terms in which he writes. The enquiries he relates are perfectly logical in respect of Jelen’s operation – yet the emphasis is upon research for a Government Department ( was it one not already part of the SO’s? ). This risks a different reflection being placed upon his comments. Given the position relayed regards the structure of DMQ – which one would assume that Jelen would be aware of as a provider – the effect again seems misplaced within the thread context.

As to his dialogue with DMQ, that is outwith our comments on this thread.


OVERVIEW

Our response to Roestalkers post was considered – brief, but considered! We agree with what he says.

Nothing written above should be construed as an imputation upon any other provider, our view is that there are differing styles – all to the good – but no bad providers. Names have been raised where unavoidable to the points being made.

The DSC system is not perfect, but is much better and more robust than has been portrayed by the comments appearing in this thread. As Roestalker says, it has done more good than harm overall.

There seems a determination to draw lines and separate things into ‘a them and us’ – without a clear definition of who those parties are – aside from torpedo BASC!

The NET result, regardless of the intent of the posters has been to destroy or at least seriously devalue the benefit and purpose of the original post.

We would propose – subject to original poster and Admin approval – that the opening thread be placed in the appropriate section as an advert and all the usual rules regards posted comments be applied. A separate thread can then be opened to explore the side issues raised.

Though the damage is clearly done – a poor reflection on this good forum.

We are all in this together.