Are badgers in the same league as foxes?

Totally agree with this

Badger are very very lazy - if they come across something maybe they will eat it - and yes they are defo bad for nests and chicks but nothing like a fox

Most who spend hours looking through a thermal would concur

When i first got my thermal - the first or second night i saw a badger course a hare like a dog - and thought wow these are serious animals - since then and im out a lot - and i also have a lot of badgers on the ground - i have watched them walk past hares - poults - jugged partridges and not so much look at them. Im sure they will kill and do kill - but nothing like the killing machine a fox is
Four hits on a poultry unit by two bagers over the last 7 days = 237 dead birds. Granted the birds are locked up at the moment because of bird flu, Mr Brock just digs straight under the aprons and he's in the movable sheds.
 
Totally agree with this

Badger are very very lazy - if they come across something maybe they will eat it - and yes they are defo bad for nests and chicks but nothing like a fox

Most who spend hours looking through a thermal would concur

When i first got my thermal - the first or second night i saw a badger course a hare like a dog - and thought wow these are serious animals - since then and im out a lot - and i also have a lot of badgers on the ground - i have watched them walk past hares - poults - jugged partridges and not so much look at them. Im sure they will kill and do kill - but nothing like the killing machine a fox is badger est
They’re normally rather well built, but industrious with it, judging by their extensive sett excavations.

They've been known to be very tenacious per your own contradictory example (very very lazy, but coursing a hare like a dog) - they’ve been seen seen following the milk scent from a lactating hare back to the leveret, for that leisurely lazy supper.
Opportunistic might be a more apt description?

For certain a pair of foxes can have a large family, and occasionally a couple of litters from different families will be raised in a den ( or an abandoned badger sett, for example 🤔), but after the summer the fox cubs tend to go forth and disperse, and try to find a territory to call their own, whereas by and large the badgers are content to continue to stay in the area playing happy families, leading to building up of the population density rather than wider overall distribution.
Regional variations will doubtless apply.
 
Four hits on a poultry unit by two bagers over the last 7 days = 237 dead birds. Granted the birds are locked up at the moment because of bird flu, Mr Brock just digs straight under the aprons and he's in the movable sheds.
In the past years we’ve twice had occasion to chase Bill down the large wooded hen run making away with our laying hens, and lost several to him over the years on occasions when the electric energiser was inadvertently turned off or had developed a fault. Opportunistic, as before. Persistent, too.
 
I was out foxing late one night, sat with my back up against a dry stone wall. Heard a scuffle to my left and a bloody big badger appears from under the wall not a meter away. Don’t know who got the biggest fright, him or me!
 
They’re normally rather well built, but industrious with it, judging by their extensive sett excavations.

They've been known to be very tenacious per your own contradictory example (very very lazy, but coursing a hare like a dog) - they’ve been seen seen following the milk scent from a lactating hare back to the leveret, for that leisurely lazy supper.
Opportunistic might be a more apt description?

For certain a pair of foxes can have a large family, and occasionally a couple of litters from different families will be raised in a den ( or an abandoned badger sett, for example 🤔), but after the summer the fox cubs tend to go forth and disperse, and try to find a territory to call their own, whereas by and large the badgers are content to continue to stay in the area playing happy families, leading to building up of the population density rather than wider overall distribution.
Regional variations will doubtless apply.

Yes it may come across as contradictory if not read in context - In the thousands and thousands of hours i have since spent i have never seen anything similar - I do however see foxes hunting like spaniels - jumping like cats at prey on a regular basis . Maybe we just have a very large population of earth worms that they like and find easy to access as we are in the HLS scheme and dont use any poison / fertiliser ?
 
Yes it may come across as contradictory if not read in context - In the thousands and thousands of hours i have since spent i have never seen anything similar - I do however see foxes hunting like spaniels - jumping like cats at prey on a regular basis . Maybe we just have a very large population of earth worms that they like and find easy to access as we are in the HLS scheme and dont use any poison / fertiliser ?
You are also in the position of having authorities who are basically relaxed about the situation; here in rural, semi-agricultural Scotland there are so comparatively few within any community who are actively trying to make a difference (1:10) that where any weight of ground nesting bird brood rearing success may draw immediate suspicion by those monitoring such matters as to how this can be given typical densities of 20-60 badgers per sq km… it’s the conservation paradox, Scottish style - everyone knows the nature of the problem, and also privately agree what should be done to counter it, but when there is sufficient treachery that any practitioner caught or filmed trying to redress the balance faces either a custodial sentence and loss of firearms etc, then the majority of those few aware of the imbalance and are in a position to contribute positively are generally more cautious and prefer to await the day when legal means of addressing the issue are made available as opposed to risking everything that has already befallen some - and we aren’t holding our breath on that ‘legal means’ aspect.
 
The UK has the greatest density of Badgers in the whole of Europe! That's because all that time of a misguided move to stop Badger baiting with dogs , a terrible thing but the Badgers where still not at any risk of extinction ( which was already Illegal before the act ). Bees have reduced as their nests are dug up by badgers raiding the young and the honey. Also the pefect vector of TB spread as they do their rooting in cow dung looking for bugs . Ground nesting birds like Curlew, and many more are defenceless against Badger raid
Remember that Badger baiting was already Illegal when the ban was brought it . Still lets pass over those facts the UK is now the only place in Europe when Badgers are not controlled in a given season and we are now the Nation that has no Legal Badger control (unless its an individually sanctioned bit of land , because its rife with TB ) It costs a heck of a crazy cost on the taxpayers purse , yeah its funded ultimately by the taxpayers! The only folks who make much in this work is the guy who collects the dead badgers from the cullers and Incinerates them .
TB remember was previously all but gone in the UK before the Ban and there was something of a ballance . The whole Badger thing should be tackled by putting the species on an OGL by locals and the legal powers to ensure that control is satisfactory and if no real efforts are made the Landowner in Question should pay the bill of contractors
I think many will be saying in this thread that they see more Badgers than foxes today while out and about in the fields at night- never was it so and nor should it be . There is no natural control in this Apex preditor in the UK
 
To me they are worse as they are more powerful, will dig under fences with ease and eat just about anything.

The badgers are pushing the foxes out around me, in a 2 mile stretch one night I saw 9…and there is nothing we can do about it - they have dug out while bankside’s for a set.

They absolutely need controlling but the Disney effect and idiots like May and Packham cannot understand the effect they have on other species.
 
I had a juvenile in a live catch rabbit trap, it looked like a cuboid badger, still don't know how it managed to fit in, still don't know how I released it with losing a finger
I went to a fox trap once and a badger had ripped the bait flap clean off and escaped through the tiny hole
The damage was formidable
To me they are worse as they are more powerful, will dig under fences with ease and eat just about anything.

The badgers are pushing the foxes out around me, in a 2 mile stretch one night I saw 9…and there is nothing we can do about it - they have dug out while bankside’s for a set.

They absolutely need controlling but the Disney effect and idiots like May and Packham cannot understand the effect they have on other species.
Same
Lots of places I go if I stand and squeal its badger after badger
 
Can't stand the bleedy things....
I don’t dislike badgers at all - they are great things to watch and are just doing what comes naturally. It’s the lefty green idiots I hate that have prevented control and ended up with a population explosion that has meant I have not seen a hedgehog or covey of partridges in my area for years.

I think the last hedgehog I saw was 10 years ago! How sad.
 
Perhaps the shooting/farming organisation should point out to the government in these financially stringent times that tens/hundreds of millions of £ could be saved by putting the badger on the same legal basis as the fox. I fear however, so frightened of upsetting the public ( a very small section of it in reality) that there is very little chance of that, particularly as DEFRA/n. England are now both completely dominated by people who would never even consider listening to the argument in the first place?
 
I don’t dislike badgers at all - they are great things to watch and are just doing what comes naturally. It’s the lefty green idiots I hate that have prevented control and ended up with a population explosion that has meant I have not seen a hedgehog or covey of partridges in my area for years.

I think the last hedgehog I saw was 10 years ago! How sad.
Yes, sorry.
I think I loathe the leftie way of thinking and how it influences laws that are stupid. The badger act/s are a classic example of that.

With regards to watching them I personally don't enjoy watching them.
I'd much rather watch a fox and their dog/cat like characteristics over any obese ferret any day.
 
In the win column is my neighbors Parson's Russell. Not being able to read even to the low standard set by ofsted, he apparently didn't know that badgers were not on the GL. So while they were away on holiday he managed, to some significant physical cost to himself, (front leg hanging by tendons, face only a mother could love), find a badger in their paddock and send it off to the great Blair Socialist Mansion in the sky for all overly protected creatures.

The dog eventually recovered and scaled back his activities to only hunt bunnies and squirrels. Terrier retirement I guess.

I never thought that a Terrier could do that to such a thick skinned animal. But having helped bury a very sad looking badger made me a believer.
 
I think they are at least equal in there destructive nature. I admire both, theyve got to eat and live, but in the wrong place there a bloody nuisance.
Since we've been culling, wild bird numbers, hares, hedgehogs and moles are all on the increase and tb is well down.
 
When I was young I shot and trapped them for their skins. They were not protected; those who wanted them gone could control them, and those who had no problem with them left them alone. That system worked perfectly well until those who are in charge and knew nothing about the countryside did a typical knee-jerk reaction and brought in the badger act.
Since then their numbers have rocketed. The cull tended to set the balance right but that too has now ended and in my area, already badger numbers are on the up and up.
Why those in charge don't listen to those who know a bit about our countryside, I'll never know.
 
In the win column is my neighbors Parson's Russell. Not being able to read even to the low standard set by ofsted, he apparently didn't know that badgers were not on the GL. So while they were away on holiday he managed, to some significant physical cost to himself, (front leg hanging by tendons, face only a mother could love), find a badger in their paddock and send it off to the great Blair Socialist Mansion in the sky for all overly protected creatures.

The dog eventually recovered and scaled back his activities to only hunt bunnies and squirrels. Terrier retirement I guess.

I never thought that a Terrier could do that to such a thick skinned animal. But having helped bury a very sad looking badger made me a believer.
That's some terrier you have there.
 
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