So basically, you want to convince someone about something that you have no concrete evidence or a comprehensive idea about, and you need someone to tell you what to say. nice!
Arguments for Brexit - help needed
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So basically, you want to convince someone about something that you have no concrete evidence or a comprehensive idea about, and you need someone to tell you what to say. nice!
shakey jake
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After reading the post about studying the EU at uni I remember hearing this before I think she forgot to mention that all those people are actually lizard people sent here to enslave us I'm building an under ground bunker to hide in
enfieldspares
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Shakey Jake you will be OK. Take precautions like I do. Line your underpants with tinfoil and the lizard people will be powerless against you. And will not succeed in their evil designs to enslave us.
My friend Tom told me this. He lives under the paving slabs at the bottom of my garden. He has fought many battles with lizard people and their allies that, in human guise, pass themselves off as MPs and MEPs.
Ted Heath was one of them, Edward VIII another. Many of them, in human guise, are left handed. We must be ever vigilant. Will your bunker have space for others?
My friend Tom told me this. He lives under the paving slabs at the bottom of my garden. He has fought many battles with lizard people and their allies that, in human guise, pass themselves off as MPs and MEPs.
Ted Heath was one of them, Edward VIII another. Many of them, in human guise, are left handed. We must be ever vigilant. Will your bunker have space for others?
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There is none. That is why...
If we are lucky, & get a vote to leave, this old lady will be back in her office.https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/56/9e/a2/569ea2328709f72f7f587e24df8fb0fb.jpg
So having a cat & only a hook won't help you stay if she wants to send you back where you belong.
So having a cat & only a hook won't help you stay if she wants to send you back where you belong.
shakey jake
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Enfield thanks for the sound advice I will check bunker size and contact you when the rising happens
Wapinschaw
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I think one of the most crass EU impositions was the rules on fishing quotas which required, on pain of colossal fines and/or imprisonment, discarding at sea of large quantities of perfectly good but dead and near dead fish by fishing vessels. I don't know if vessels registered to other EU countries did so, knowing the way that inconvenient laws are generally ignored except by the UK I rather think this probably was as well.
This is a prize example of laws being made up by people who have no idea of the practicalities involved and who cannot be bothered, or are simply too arrogant to consult fully with those who it will affect. This is being addressed but it has been in place for years and has done as much harm to fish stocks as overfishing.
This is a prize example of laws being made up by people who have no idea of the practicalities involved and who cannot be bothered, or are simply too arrogant to consult fully with those who it will affect. This is being addressed but it has been in place for years and has done as much harm to fish stocks as overfishing.
AN DU RU FOX
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as i said weeks ago somewhere ,does no one remember the lorry blockades by french farmers pulling our lamb/beef out of the trucks on the motorway and pouring deisel on it,all the time being filmed and watched by police and not interfereing,,, or the spanish trawlers coming over and rapeing our fish stocks all the while we where being told on the docks tip all that back over the side lads you cant sell it, TELL THEM TOO SHOVE THE EU RIGHT UP TOO THE HILT ,,,OUT!!!!
Estudiente
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Bandit Country
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Probably because EU regulation is now so inextricably entwined with our own "rule-making" it is impossible to be certain where one starts and the other ends. From the bureaucrat's perspective it is almost an ideal world - challenge anyone at any level and they simply point the finger at Brussels/National Government/local Government/EU Commission/EU Parliament/EU Court of Justice/ECHR.
As an example I would suggest the fandango over Single Farm Payment, which is clearly a Brussels initiative that is, routinely, a significant hassle to nearly all small and mid-sized farming enterprises in England. However, is the hassle caused by regulation from Brussels or the incompetent half-wits at DEFRA?
Anyone who's principal interests lie in rural activities - whether that be farming, fishing, forestry or fieldsports - should be voting IN.
The UK is a largely urban nation with an urban minded government. Most Britons couldn't care less where their food comes from, and most do not want to see firearms in private ownership. These are the people who our government will bend over backwards to please.
Mainland Europe has a significant "peasant" population, who's vote actually counts. Also more cultural acceptance of hunting etc. Without the steadying hand of the European rural vote we'd be stuffed in this country as far as rural activities go. When the French farmers make a fuss something gets done. When the UK farmers make a fuss a policeman comes along and says "naughty boys, go home", so they apologise and go. Nothing gets done.
The problem doesn't lie in the fact that laws are made in Brussels. The problem lies in the way our government applies them - up to the maximum, and then some.
On the continent they do things rather better - apply the rules to the minimum level and leave plenty of loopholes. They must be laughing at us the whole time! Why does our government insist on gold plating everything? It's not an mentality that'll change if we exit. Anyone who thinks there'll be a big bonfire of burdensome legislation is in cloud cuckoo land I'm afraid.
Instead we'll have even more daft legislation if we leave - firstly we'll still have to comply with all the EU rules in order to keep trading, yet we'll have no say in the making of those rules (which would be a stupid position to put ourselves in). Secondly we'll have all our own government's new rules which they'll introduce just because they can.
Ok, so there may well be issues relating to immigration, jobs, housing, social security etc etc that some people think might be cured by us leaving the EU - I don't know enough about these things to pass judgement, and to be honest they don't particularly interest me. From the purely rural pursuits perspective there's only one sensible option - stay in.
The UK is a largely urban nation with an urban minded government. Most Britons couldn't care less where their food comes from, and most do not want to see firearms in private ownership. These are the people who our government will bend over backwards to please.
Mainland Europe has a significant "peasant" population, who's vote actually counts. Also more cultural acceptance of hunting etc. Without the steadying hand of the European rural vote we'd be stuffed in this country as far as rural activities go. When the French farmers make a fuss something gets done. When the UK farmers make a fuss a policeman comes along and says "naughty boys, go home", so they apologise and go. Nothing gets done.
The problem doesn't lie in the fact that laws are made in Brussels. The problem lies in the way our government applies them - up to the maximum, and then some.
On the continent they do things rather better - apply the rules to the minimum level and leave plenty of loopholes. They must be laughing at us the whole time! Why does our government insist on gold plating everything? It's not an mentality that'll change if we exit. Anyone who thinks there'll be a big bonfire of burdensome legislation is in cloud cuckoo land I'm afraid.
Instead we'll have even more daft legislation if we leave - firstly we'll still have to comply with all the EU rules in order to keep trading, yet we'll have no say in the making of those rules (which would be a stupid position to put ourselves in). Secondly we'll have all our own government's new rules which they'll introduce just because they can.
Ok, so there may well be issues relating to immigration, jobs, housing, social security etc etc that some people think might be cured by us leaving the EU - I don't know enough about these things to pass judgement, and to be honest they don't particularly interest me. From the purely rural pursuits perspective there's only one sensible option - stay in.
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countrryboy
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U touched on something that has confused me for years with farming/imports?
Why would we still have to adhere to EC standards to export there? And to be honest i'd imagine most farmers will be above the basic EC standard already.
Or on other foot should any imports to this country not be of the same standard or meet our sstandards?
The supermarkets here only care about a cheap product but surely wot ur importing has to be up to the same standards as the UK produce i doubt most/any of imported meat/milk comes anywhere near the standard of meat/milk prduced in this country
We import milk from poland (prob 3-4 day drive) boat loads of beef from africa and south America, not too mention lamb from NZ, i doubt much of those come up to the normal UK standards
Why would we still have to adhere to EC standards to export there? And to be honest i'd imagine most farmers will be above the basic EC standard already.
Or on other foot should any imports to this country not be of the same standard or meet our sstandards?
The supermarkets here only care about a cheap product but surely wot ur importing has to be up to the same standards as the UK produce i doubt most/any of imported meat/milk comes anywhere near the standard of meat/milk prduced in this country
We import milk from poland (prob 3-4 day drive) boat loads of beef from africa and south America, not too mention lamb from NZ, i doubt much of those come up to the normal UK standards
howa243
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Yes well done the EU for getting rid of those nasty roaming costs. Hang on........Why global governance is making the EU irrelevant
bewsher500
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seriously?
they are full of stupid rules and a lot of crap comes out of Brussels
but do you really think the decisions in government that are affecting you day to day are being made in Brussels?
we have a junior doctors strike for the first time ever
We have a broken tax system
a broken welfare system
a divided country on immigration
an ineffectual justice system
an overstretched Police authority
none of that comes from Brussels
ALL of it comes from Westminster
howa243
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You suggesting that the EU has no impact on our views on immigration?
enfieldspares
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So, as a shooter, possibly a houndsports follower (I've done it but I'm not) how did all that UK "democracy" work out for you in 1996 and from 1997 to 2010? Major, Blair and Browm. Or were you asleep?
The ONLY reason for us getting compensation after John Major's handgun ban was EU Law. I'm no EU "fanboy" but I've lived under a Thatcher dictatorship and a Blair dictatorship.
It's not the Brussels "lot" I fear but the Westminster "lot" and Sturgeon's Edinburgh "lot". Brussels and the ECJ is a much needed check against them.
The ONLY reason for us getting compensation after John Major's handgun ban was EU Law. I'm no EU "fanboy" but I've lived under a Thatcher dictatorship and a Blair dictatorship.
It's not the Brussels "lot" I fear but the Westminster "lot" and Sturgeon's Edinburgh "lot". Brussels and the ECJ is a much needed check against them.
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deeangeo
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Well that's democracy for you! We the people elected all those governments and we each voted for the best constituent in our areas. Politicians are all liars, thieves & cheats, but I'd rather shout at the one's we elected, than those others in the EU that we didn't.
Remember, we can remove our 'lot' from government....we cannot remove those in Brussels, therefore this is our one chance to be free of EU interference in our lives.
Besides which, the past is the past, what we're dealing with now, is our future. This great nation's future!
As for the SNP, Sturgeon & Swinney et al, they my friend are all Communists.
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