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that looks like a high powered sniper rifle to my untrained eye
Absolutely bloody outrageous. I am honestly lost for words. We really are living in some Orwellian quasi-dystopia where stupidity and incompetence takes precedence over commonsense and basic decency. I can honestly say I'd look forward to the zombie apocalypse if I didn't think they were already here
ColinBr
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The news travelled far within the police ranks too.Absolutely bloody outrageous. I am honestly lost for words. We really are living in some Orwellian quasi-dystopia where stupidity and incompetence takes precedence over commonsense and basic decency. I can honestly say I'd look forward to the zombie apocalypse if I didn't think they were already here
My BIL knew about it from his colleagues from down in London, Scotland Yard. We stay in central Scotland.
I had a friend who worked on reconstructing vegetation change from pollen laid down in peat.We live in bad, sad times. Over fifty years of enjoying game and vermin shooting in Northern Ireland including the thirty years of “The Troubles” I never once had responses such as this on any of my forays.
Apart from that one occasion when as a 16 year old with a .22 air rifle slung over my shoulder I walked past a local electricity sub-station which was being “minded” by a Scottish regiment.
Do you know what running army boots and an SLR and 9mm Browning being racked simultaneously sound like children? Foxyboy does….
She used to wander all over ‘Bandit Country’. With a coring device. This is a long 3” metal tube, stored in a green canvas bag. It sits on a small tripod.
You can imagine what might happen when you set something like that up in view of bored/nervous squaddies in a watch tower…
She did find at least one set of giant elk antlers, though. Which I reckon is worth the trouble.
Foxyboy43
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Wow! Lucky on two counts then!
There is a skeleton of an Irish Elk in the Ulster museum, Belfast - a most impressive creature - looks like a Fallow on super steroids!
For interest…
The Irish elk stood about 2 m (6 ft 7 in) tall at the shoulders and had large palmate (flat and broad) antlers, the largest of any known deer, with the largest specimens reaching over 3.5 m (11 ft) from tip to tip (though it is rare for specimens to exceed 3 metres (9.8 ft) across and 40 kg (88 lb) in weight. The antlers are considerably larger than those of living moose, being on average over twice the volume of moose antlers. For body size, at about 450–600 kg (990–1,320 lb) and up to 700 kg (1,540 lb) or more, the Irish elk was the heaviest known cervine ("Old World deer").
Can you imagine dragging one off the hill?
I just commented to the missus while watching thugs tearing a shop display to bits, on the news, so they can steal the phones, a couple of baton rounds to the guts or maybe some bird shot & the incident would be over, or very likely not take place.
skinnywhitetrash
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Bemoaning the actions of our armed police… then advocating the shooting of theft suspects. A tad mixed up?
You mean the ones that are missing in action dealing with the Nerf gun incidents.
And bird or dust shot / Rock salt / and for the obviously uneducated, a baton round is usually a bean bag ................ so, no need for body bags then?
skinnywhitetrash
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Ok, I’m out. 
A baton round is not a bean bag, it used to be rubber and was later replaced with plastic bag n the 70s. It can be fatal and has been. Strict rules of engagement and ideal minimum engagement distances should be employed. Bean bags may be in use in some forces, no freedom of information requests support that. Baton rounds are not bean bags. Two entirely different forms of attenuating energy projectile. The 37 mm baton gun has been in use for many years.You mean the ones that are missing in action dealing with the Nerf gun incidents.
And bird or dust shot / Rock salt / and for the obviously uneducated, a baton round is usually a bean bag ................ so, no need for body bags then?
Open source for education on readily deployable police munitions.
Weapons and equipment | College of Policing
This page is from APP, the official source of professional practice for policing.
A bean bag round, & also known by its trademarked name, flexible baton round.
And yet it is not used in the U.K. and would not be recognised as a Baton round. Googling to use the first post does not validate your statement. No where in the U.K. are bean bag rounds used. A baton round is in fact not usually a bean bag round as you suggested. A baton round is a projectile fired from the 37 mm riot gun or a variant of usually. In the whole made from plastic, previously rubber. Other 37 mm munitions are available, not all operate within the platforms used in the U.K.
jcalleja91
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Bean bags to my knowledge are not used in the UK - they're also pretty ineffective.A baton round is not a bean bag, it used to be rubber and was later replaced with plastic bag n the 70s. It can be fatal and has been. Strict rules of engagement and ideal minimum engagement distances should be employed. Bean bags may be in use in some forces, no freedom of information requests support that. Baton rounds are not bean bags. Two entirely different forms of attenuating energy projectile. The 37 mm baton gun has been in use for many years.
Open source for education on readily deployable police munitions.
Weapons and equipment | College of Policing
This page is from APP, the official source of professional practice for policing.www.college.police.uk
I think you've demonstrated your dislike for the police over multiple threads now, but quite honestly your ideas on what should be being done are dangerous and a bad look on legal firearm owners and incredibly contradictory.You mean the ones that are missing in action dealing with the Nerf gun incidents.
And bird or dust shot / Rock salt / and for the obviously uneducated, a baton round is usually a bean bag ................ so, no need for body bags then?
You're unhappy with police responding to well intentioned 999 calls exactly how they're are trained but think theft suspects should be shot with potentially lethal projectiles..
okay
You misinterpret my dislike for the way people seem happy to be under the muzzle of a firearm, for broad dislike of police. I do have a dislike for the way other urgent calls for help are seemingly treated as less worthy of response.
Foxyboy43
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As a lad in the 70s thankfully living in a very quiet part of Belfast, there was still quite a market for fired baton rounds especially with those who were less inclined towards the police and army. I am not sure what they were made from but I do think rubber?A baton round is not a bean bag, it used to be rubber and was later replaced with plastic bag n the 70s. It can be fatal and has been. Strict rules of engagement and ideal minimum engagement distances should be employed. Bean bags may be in use in some forces, no freedom of information requests support that. Baton rounds are not bean bags. Two entirely different forms of attenuating energy projectile. The 37 mm baton gun has been in use for many years.
Open source for education on readily deployable police munitions.
Weapons and equipment | College of Policing
This page is from APP, the official source of professional practice for policing.
Anyhow - they were definitely hard, very hard - apparently they were more effective if bounced in front of the intended targets…
The Baton round term being proffered by a couple on here, is not the Baton round I was referring to in my post,
12 Gauge shotguns can deliver a Baton round sometimes called a Bean bag round, As far as I remember a 12 Gauge shotgun's bore is some where around 18 / 19 mm, the Baton round that the more contentious on here are pushing forward is as in the above post, a far larger and much more solid projectile measuring 37mm.
Must remember to pick up a Baton when down in Tesco's later,
12 Gauge shotguns can deliver a Baton round sometimes called a Bean bag round, As far as I remember a 12 Gauge shotgun's bore is some where around 18 / 19 mm, the Baton round that the more contentious on here are pushing forward is as in the above post, a far larger and much more solid projectile measuring 37mm.
Must remember to pick up a Baton when down in Tesco's later,
Jura
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in your ammo box 
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