BAD NEWS (For me)
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Old Pultney
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Hope you can keep putting lead or non lead in the air. With very best wishes.
Freeforester
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A recent report, by the guy who read it and made it a little more known.
John Gryphon
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First off Willowbank I wish you well on this part of your life's journey,its a kick in the guts no doubt but stay positive.
One of my daughters has been pushing this Ivermectin caper on me and I have looked hard online and there really isnt anything much to say for ivermectin treatment for cancer in humans. I wish there was. I read the warning signs as per below,there are many of them.
As the bloke in the link below says "i`ve been an oncologist for long enough blah blah....
www.macmillan.org.uk
Ivermectin shows potential in laboratory studies (in vitro) to inhibit the growth of certain canine cancer cells, particularly mammary tumors, by arresting the cell cycle and suppressing tumor growth. However, there is limited clinical data confirming its effectiveness or safety as a, cancer treatment in living dogs, and it is not a substitute for standard veterinary oncology care.
One of my daughters has been pushing this Ivermectin caper on me and I have looked hard online and there really isnt anything much to say for ivermectin treatment for cancer in humans. I wish there was. I read the warning signs as per below,there are many of them.
As the bloke in the link below says "i`ve been an oncologist for long enough blah blah....
Cancer and ivermectin: What people with cancer need to know - Macmillan Cancer Support
Leading oncologist and Macmillan Cancer Support’s Chief Medical Officer talks on the misleading cancer claims around anti-parasitic drug, ivermectin.
www.macmillan.org.uk
- Toxicity at High Doses: The doses used in successful animal and lab studies are significantly higher than those approved for parasitic infections. At these elevated levels, ivermectin can cause severe side effects such as brain swelling, seizures, coma, and liver damage.
Ivermectin shows potential in laboratory studies (in vitro) to inhibit the growth of certain canine cancer cells, particularly mammary tumors, by arresting the cell cycle and suppressing tumor growth. However, there is limited clinical data confirming its effectiveness or safety as a, cancer treatment in living dogs, and it is not a substitute for standard veterinary oncology care.
Just caught up with this.
Sorry to hear your news.
Never give up and keep a positive attitude which helps during and after any treatment.
Reading through the thread, we in the SD have had our (un)fair share of illnesses.
All that are going through, or have family going through, any sort of illness - I wish you well.
To all in general.
Each day you wake up cherish it, no matter how cr*p you feel.
Because it’s another day that you can make someone laugh or make another memory.
Sorry to hear your news.
Never give up and keep a positive attitude which helps during and after any treatment.
Reading through the thread, we in the SD have had our (un)fair share of illnesses.
All that are going through, or have family going through, any sort of illness - I wish you well.
To all in general.
Each day you wake up cherish it, no matter how cr*p you feel.
Because it’s another day that you can make someone laugh or make another memory.
TringSaint
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Fingers crossed for you.Thank you, had an mri scan last week at Ashford and have a ct scan tomorrow at Canterbury then due to see the surgeon on 24th… known him now for 15 odd years and on first name terms… don’t know who was more disheartened him or me when he told me
WB
Wish you well, a relative had similar news, given a trial' treatment and that has given a new bill of health, so be positive, easy to say, though I am sure it will help an awful lot.
BC.
BC.
Freeforester
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Something for your daughter, or those prepared to let the evidence have an open airing.First off Willowbank I wish you well on this part of your life's journey,its a kick in the guts no doubt but stay positive.
One of my daughters has been pushing this Ivermectin caper on me and I have looked hard online and there really isnt anything much to say for ivermectin treatment for cancer in humans. I wish there was. I read the warning signs as per below,there are many of them.
As the bloke in the link below says "i`ve been an oncologist for long enough blah blah....
Cancer and ivermectin: What people with cancer need to know - Macmillan Cancer Support
Leading oncologist and Macmillan Cancer Support’s Chief Medical Officer talks on the misleading cancer claims around anti-parasitic drug, ivermectin.
- Toxicity at High Doses: The doses used in successful animal and lab studies are significantly higher than those approved for parasitic infections. At these elevated levels, ivermectin can cause severe side effects such as brain swelling, seizures, coma, and liver damage.
Ivermectin shows potential in laboratory studies (in vitro) to inhibit the growth of certain canine cancer cells, particularly mammary tumors, by arresting the cell cycle and suppressing tumor growth. However, there is limited clinical data confirming its effectiveness or safety as a, cancer treatment in living dogs, and it is not a substitute for standard veterinary oncology care.
Real-World Clinical Outcomes of Ivermectin and Mebendazole in Cancer Patients: Results from a Prospective Observational Cohort
Abstract Background: Drug repurposing offers a pathway to identify accessible, low-toxicity cancer therapies. Ivermectin and mebendazole have demonstrated multi-target anti-cancer activity in preclinical models, including the inhibition of cancer cell proliferation and the targeting of cancer...
Last time I looked Zenodo weren’t in the cancer business.
John Gryphon
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its a bit of push shove and push back again isn't it. Gleaned from that link and pasted below. I for one wont be putting any of my spondula on this horses back for now but if I was pushed into a corner and inflicted I would grasp the straw also,anything goes when the C word rears its head.
Funny enough David of JAK fame had a very large apricot tree in his front yard and a fellow used to come pick up all of the fallen fruit to harvest the fruit seeds for the kernels as treatment for a cancer of sorts. It was 'one of those things'
Caution: Unverified Contents
Papers and preprints are not peer-reviewed by Zenodo, and must be regarded as preliminary until peer-reviewed by multiple experts in the field. It should not be regarded as conclusive, or reported in news media as established information, as the main claims may not stand the test of scientific scrutiny.
However, given the observational design, reliance on self-reported outcomes, and potential for selection bias and uncontrolled confounding, these findings should be interpreted as hypothesis-generating. Urgent prospective, randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trials are warranted to validate these observations and further define optimal dosing strategies.
Freeforester
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Maybe try this one for your daughter too.
The author of the withdrawn hypothesis mentioned, Dr Sabine Hassa. Is a world authority on the functioning of the human microbiome, and has for the past thirty years or so been involved with setting up of clinical trials for various medicines in her specialist area.
Quite ironic that her hypothesis was removed, seems to smack of thought policing too, when advances in science are generally just the testing of hypotheses, rather than dismissal of same without due consideration, or alternatively pressure being brought to bear by others..
John Gryphon
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which one?
Yeah? She`s a gastroenterologist She is considered an expert on gut bacteria.
Have you anything demonstrative of her oncology experience?
Dont give in just yet mate, its marvellous what they can do nowadays with treatments, they gave my wife half 3 months to 3 years with stage 4 lung cancer, after being clear of breast cancer for 10 years.
she lasted 13 years, which by all accounts was some kind of record for survival rate with stage 4 cancer, keep fighting mate
she lasted 13 years, which by all accounts was some kind of record for survival rate with stage 4 cancer, keep fighting mate
Freeforester
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Best you watch and learn then. Sorry if the connection between gut health, ivermectin and its role in combating cancers is lost on ya, maybe the daughter you mentioned up the thread can explain, I don’t seem able to get through. Angus Dalgliesh was until recently (retired now) our country’s lead oncologist, he saw the connection she was
making, and the implications.
Every day a school day, for some anyway.
John Gryphon
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Nah!
You do appear to take it so personally when someone replies not in accordance with your own views.
You have quite a bit of learning to do for yourself....best if you go and do some deer stalking old chum,it is actually a panacea of sorts....cures coughs,colds and sore holes you know....better than ivermectin lol.
Of the 40,000 SD members please advise as to how many you have "got through too"
TringSaint
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I’m not entirely sure that anyone on here should be pushing unproven medical theories surrounding a veterinary worming product for treating cancer.
Not long ago it was also supposed to treat Covid!
Let’s let the medical professionals tell us what’s best, eh?
Not long ago it was also supposed to treat Covid!
Let’s let the medical professionals tell us what’s best, eh?
Freeforester
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You need to do your own research Tringy, you
might even learn a little more about the origins of Ivermectin and its use around the wider world (particularly in third world countries, but by no means only there), of which I see you are also clearly ignorant. Were it as you suggest, then it would not be officially approved as a safe medicine - indeed one of the world’s safest known - by the FDA, WHO, etc.
Campbell and Omura received the Nobel Prize for medicine some fifteen years after their discovery and development began to save human lives.
might even learn a little more about the origins of Ivermectin and its use around the wider world (particularly in third world countries, but by no means only there), of which I see you are also clearly ignorant. Were it as you suggest, then it would not be officially approved as a safe medicine - indeed one of the world’s safest known - by the FDA, WHO, etc.
Campbell and Omura received the Nobel Prize for medicine some fifteen years after their discovery and development began to save human lives.
Seems to of worked for Smellydog in the below paragraph. Sometimes when your faced with the big C, it is worth trying new things if previous treatments aren`t cutting it. I lost my step dad to cancer & I wished he would have looked at alternative treatments, but it`s too late now.
After suffering what I think is what they call long COVID for a year I tried ivermectin and it went.
I've also noticed that I haven't had a cold or flue for ages!
Take it!
TringSaint
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There could be a million reasons why that happened, so to draw direct lines I think is both premature and slightly dangerous.
If ivermectin was such a wonder drug then why hasn’t the MHRA approved it for all these things?
It would save the NHS billions - one pill (or squirt) for every ill!
TringSaint
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Is you name David?
I have a builder who is working next to my house who sounds just like you.
Every conspiracy theory going and he believes it. Pizzagate, cloud seeding, baby-eating world leaders, Covid vaccines creating huge ‘worms’ in people’s veins, ivermectin! You name it, he believes it.
Shame he couldn’t work out that the’cloud seeding’ he could see was actually high level moisture on the leading edge of a low pressure moving in - nothing like ignorance when it comes to real science vs quackery!!
Hey lads I’ve got something that really does work… proven time and time again it’s called many names but best known as a “chill pill “
All the best…
Willowbank.
All the best…
Willowbank.
