Bankruptcy!

[scubadog]

So the "strong and stable" party have just done a massive U turn over the weekend. The leader is now publically saying opposite to what her manifesto and ministers were saying 4 days ago. According to Tory activists this has come about by the leader listening to advisers and acting on this advise rather than debating within the party first.

Whether this is how this massive c**k up has come about is right or not it worries me that this is NOT a reassuring sign of someone who can fight for our own interests without U terming as soon as it gets tough. Obviously, This Lady is for turning!!!

How can anyone now trust a party whose manefesto is untrue and promises in that manefesto are publically broken before the Election.

Yea your right.
Who would want to vote for a party that listened it's voters and, despite the amount of political greif they know they would receive, decided to change their policy......just saying.

 

[scubadog]

What little credibility you had left just evaporated with the click of a mouse!!!

He had none to loose

 

[big ears]

Yea your right.
Who would want to vote for a party that listened it's voters and, despite the amount of political greif they know they would receive, decided to change their policy......just saying.

4 days after the manefesto was announced is a royal cock up and shows a party which is not in contact with the public if it has to change so quickly. Surely a GOOD party would do its homework, listen to the public it is supposed to represent and produce its policies accordingly. However you look at it, it is a Tory mess and shows exactly what sort of party they are. One with falable policies who are relying on scare tactics to win.

 

[User00043]

The working classes are the backbone of this country there the ones who work hard for very poor wages while the fat cats get paid vast fortunes for doing sod all.

 

[Highlandsjohn]

The working classes are the backbone of this country there the ones who work hard for very poor wages while the fat cats get paid vast fortunes for doing sod all.

Welcome to SD struddy 1952. Spent a bit of time working down your way many moons ago, before Nigel Lawson and the tories decimated the midlands and turned us from a manufacturing base to service. .

 

[big ears]

Love it

 

[rodp]

You must have cut the bottom bit off by mistake Big Ears, no one in their right mind would have missed it deliberately

 

[Chasey]

Kinda proves my point then!
Your daughter's poor career choice is not in the fact she wants to work for the NHS. It's the fact she wants to study a PhD in a subject that doesn't require one! Hence why she can find no employer to sponsor her.

Seriously man, it's not hard to understand!

Sorry I don't know what your talking about the PHD is a requirement for a clinical research position?

 

[Chasey]

The working classes are the backbone of this country there the ones who work hard for very poor wages while the fat cats get paid vast fortunes for doing sod all.

In some cases true, but the top 5% of earners in the UK pay 29% of the revenue for the welfair state in tax and NI and the bottom 10% pay nothing for the wellfare state, so its a bit of a paradox.

Get rid of the fat cats? loose the welfare state?

 

[Chasey]

This is a joke right? Or are you suggesting that we should just believe everything we read on Facebook now - that well known paragon of truth?

Facebook is entertainment, not viable research.

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But don't worry because shees done a U turn now (due to massive losses in the polls) and I am sure this doesn't reflect an underlieing trend in her policy and I am sure if she wins with a land slide she wont push stuff like this through parliament unaposed and I am sure theres a god and I am sure theres a father Christmass

Mixed reviews on Conservative social care reform - Todays Wills and Probate

 

[willie_gunn]

I am sure theres a god and I am sure theres a father Christmass

I am sure I am done with this thread.

Politics divides us, whereas deer and deer stalking should be what brings us together.

 

[User00043]

True, But I am sure that the bottom 10% trying hard to make ends meet on a minimum wage and often doing the crappies jobs would love to be paid more so that they could contribute and as for the welfare state it was never meant for lazy sods that have no intention to work and think the country owes them a living and to that I agree loose the welfare state but at the same time we do need to help those who for no fault of there own are unable work or are genuinely looking for work

 

[User00043]

To true I live just a few miles from corby which was a very prosperous town until Maggie arrive on scene British Steel redundancies knocked the s**t out of corby yes there problems with BS but no attempt was made to sort these just throw everybody no the dole and wreck a whole community BS produced the best steel in the world and now it's all lost

 

[rodp]

To true I live just a few miles from corby which was a very prosperous town until Maggie arrive on scene British Steel redundancies knocked the s**t out of corby yes there problems with BS but no attempt was made to sort these just throw everybody no the dole and wreck a whole community BS produced the best steel in the world and now it's all lost

But wasn't it the simple fact that it cost more to produce steel at British Steel than anywhere else in the world. And it was in fact cheaper to pay the staff benefits than susidise their wages ?

 

[User00025]

But wasn't it the simple fact that it cost more to produce steel at British Steel than anywhere else in the world. And it was in fact cheaper to pay the staff benefits than susidise their wages ?

I don't know about that one Rod, I remember Round Oak being closed and all the gear was sold off cheaply to the Chinese. We are "Hoisted by our own poitard" in some cases.

 

[tozzybum]

Years ago i worked at Drakelow power station ,CEGB training school and 3 power stations on 1 site big big employer .The Chinese bought 1 and took it away brick by brick ,now there,s just a few bloody solar panels and no jobs there for anyone.But we are now so short of electric we have an extension lead running to France FFS the Victorians must be spinning in their graves .Global super power NOT

 

[User00043]

Yes but as I said British Steel did have it's problems Bad Management for one but when somethings bust surely you try to fix before you throw it on the scrap heap

 

[mchughcb]

Only if directors and shareholders have the will and the government provides the environment.

Plenty of directors asleep at the wheel.

 

[rodp]

I don't know about that one Rod, I remember Round Oak being closed and all the gear was sold off cheaply to the Chinese. We are "Hoisted by our own poitard" in some cases.

Now that WAS the odd one out. Apparently profitable, just had a major refit with new furnaces and order books full Some say (and I know a few that used to work there) that vast amounts of cash changed hands under the table due to all the new equipment being sold off cheap through the books

Crippled brily bonk that did oer kid, loik a bost in fizzhog wor it.

 

[Chasey]

Yes but as I said British Steel did have it's problems Bad Management for one but when somethings bust surely you try to fix before you throw it on the scrap heap

Possably but even Tata couldent save it and they have a strong reputation.

Their reason was the strong pound and the cost of electricity in the UK

In short we simply couldn't compeat with China which is sad but its also how a capitalist society runs. If your business cant make a profit, you shut it down

There's no point in blaiming the government unless you want a communist stile moddel where the government props up industry at the tax payers expense?

At the moment the govt looks at the cost to the tax payer balanced against the funds required to prop up the business and makes the decision bassed on that, which makes sense.