BASC Council - changing the tone
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Thank you for your advice, forgive me if I do as I choose - you dont have to vote for me if you are offended, assuming of course and can and am asked to stand.
The method of nomination and voting and surprisingly the relevant dates are all available and known. The number of votes I might need is probably closer to the 180 votes which elected the last member of BASC Council.
My apologies if you regard this as a 'petty disagreement'. I suggest you might find something more relevant to post on since your comments are largely irrelevant, if not positively opinionated even arrogant.
No need to reply, one petty disagreement deserves another. Its no wonder BASC is in the state it is.
Riddick, If even you think its a snowball in hell's chance then why oh why are people asking me to do this ?
The simple reason I am at least trying, is to have then tried all possible routes to improve our collective representation, as Carl says - BASC is the best chance due to its size . Most would agree BASC is dysfunctional in that it fails and has failed to champion shooting sports in key areas, we are obviously losing ground.
If I can stand and do and win, I will need help for that, then I shall be committing a lot of personal time to this, a lot of effort and no doubt a lot of angst. If people believe I will achieve nothing , then fine, I will walk away as I dont NEED this hassle. However if people want someone who will challenge the BASC establishment even with what little talent others have suggested I may possess, then I'll have a go.
If all I can expect is complacency from others then why should I bother ?
Many have suggested personal support and that is a BIG personal boost however, I need more supporters or whoever stands does - Kalahari failed twice. This is not just my campaign so even if people don't like my style, I offer an opportunity for worthwhile change or maybe someone else would take the responsibility to change the quality of representation we have received to date ? I'm sure BASC would rather have someone else other then me on the Council and may even now be trying to ensure I dont get there.
Kes, a little while ago you were asking how all the BASC Council stuff worked. Now you have it sorted - good !
My post was an attempt to galvanise you and others to get on and act, but you chose to be offended for some reason. Well, sorry. I believe that the (small c) conservative and "not invented here" culture at the Mill does need shaking up, but how ? What actual changes in structure and philosophy are required and how is this to be done ? Talk of "challenging the establishment" needs to be reduced to concrete changes. Colin Greenwood's pressure which produced the firearms department BASC has today is an example - and Colin never stood for Council by the way !
There are two national vacancies and therefore any potential "agents of change" such as yourself should be target ing both of these. Where is the follow-up coming from next year ? An elected Council member is there for five years so a rolling programme could achieve a lot.
Names, faces and policies need to be out there if any success is to achieved. My experience is that people (illogically) seem to support folk that they have heard of, so letters to the press and posts on Facebook all help (like minor celebs entering politics).
Just by the way, 180 votes might have been a winning margin but the total vote achieved needs to be bigger by a factor of 10.
I applaud what you are trying to do here so if all this is "opinionated", "irrelevant" or even "arrogant" I hope you will be forgiving.
My post was an attempt to galvanise you and others to get on and act, but you chose to be offended for some reason. Well, sorry. I believe that the (small c) conservative and "not invented here" culture at the Mill does need shaking up, but how ? What actual changes in structure and philosophy are required and how is this to be done ? Talk of "challenging the establishment" needs to be reduced to concrete changes. Colin Greenwood's pressure which produced the firearms department BASC has today is an example - and Colin never stood for Council by the way !
There are two national vacancies and therefore any potential "agents of change" such as yourself should be target ing both of these. Where is the follow-up coming from next year ? An elected Council member is there for five years so a rolling programme could achieve a lot.
Names, faces and policies need to be out there if any success is to achieved. My experience is that people (illogically) seem to support folk that they have heard of, so letters to the press and posts on Facebook all help (like minor celebs entering politics).
Just by the way, 180 votes might have been a winning margin but the total vote achieved needs to be bigger by a factor of 10.
I applaud what you are trying to do here so if all this is "opinionated", "irrelevant" or even "arrogant" I hope you will be forgiving.
reloader54
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kes, the problem as many see it is not you, or kalahari, or even your tenacity and keenness to implement worthy changes, given opportunity I see no reason to doubt your abilities and ideas would be beneficial to all members.
No I believe the existing hierarchy would do all in their power to prevent you from doing so. they may dare you to stand but will not ever allow it to come to fruition. just like the old boys clubs it mimics. you can apply to join but you'll never get the executive washroom key.
In my younger days I made three as I recall, maybe more, attempts to join basc believing it to be a good move, [having been taken wildfowling with a wagbi member of considerable conviction] I have been to court and not been looked down on as so undesirable. even when my employer joined me up as being the new keeper at the time, the warm feeling I got when I received the welcome pack soon became as ice cold when I presented myself at the next game fair, and was promptly ignored once again.
so again, I applaud your pluck and wish you luck, but I will not be rejoining again to vote for you, as I have a feeling I know how far you'll get.
No I believe the existing hierarchy would do all in their power to prevent you from doing so. they may dare you to stand but will not ever allow it to come to fruition. just like the old boys clubs it mimics. you can apply to join but you'll never get the executive washroom key.
In my younger days I made three as I recall, maybe more, attempts to join basc believing it to be a good move, [having been taken wildfowling with a wagbi member of considerable conviction] I have been to court and not been looked down on as so undesirable. even when my employer joined me up as being the new keeper at the time, the warm feeling I got when I received the welcome pack soon became as ice cold when I presented myself at the next game fair, and was promptly ignored once again.
so again, I applaud your pluck and wish you luck, but I will not be rejoining again to vote for you, as I have a feeling I know how far you'll get.
Highlandsjohn
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Riddick, yours is not the first time I have heard of someone being given the 'bum's rush' at a game fair by the champagne charlies.
I repeat my best wishes to Kes,I think he is a brave man to attempt to right some of the wrongs and is deserving of our support..
I repeat my best wishes to Kes,I think he is a brave man to attempt to right some of the wrongs and is deserving of our support..
reloader54
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yes I heard as much too, John, funny but they were more than willing to suck up to my millionaire employer eh!
a previous employer has just bought a farm for 3million as a retirement present for himself and his good lady, who do you think dealt with the neglected trees on the farm, well the same person who will get free reign to harvest any problem deer. happy days, John, happy days.
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Sorry, it may be a mistake to admit this but that went way above my head, my apologies if offence given, it was however, an open goal - so not really sensitive.
Certainly and thanks for the comment.
foxdropper
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Whilst I won’t be joining this particular cult ,I fail to see the justification for having a pop at anyone willing to try to make change that’s on our side .I wish you well Kes and look forward to seeing those changes .
To balance out being in a position of their job which pays bills/looks after family etc (which 99%) of us do, then BASC staff members will be limited in the content/tone of their replies.
There must be a good reason why no BASC SD members are NOT posting replies any more, the NE **** up had very little interest on here yet it had a huge impact, had a NE staff joined SD in a manner of the BASC staff then they would have been the focus of some very sharp replies.
Personally I believe NE in the upper levels of staffing/managers/ceo are way off base, also many parts of BASC in the training side I have had a few battles with.
Trying to make a change is good but at some point the post man will leave the letters on the gate if every time he comes down the drive he gets bitten.
Tim
foxdropper
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But to do nothing is worse would you not agree .
Doing nothing is not an option under the current circumstances. I would not join BASC but will to effect change. I wrote to the president who delegated a response to the CEO - I posted his letter which recognise my 'passion' as he called it and suggested I rejoin. Well, I will to 'front' tyhe change which so many want to see. If however I am disbarred from membership (previously antagonistic) or if I dont get enough votes, it will be pointless and i will stand back for someone else to try. I do know that I have done my bit and will continue to point out mistakes and mis-judgements (like medicals) whether a member or not and whether elected to Council or not. Kalahari tried unsuccessfully twice and unless I get the votes, I will do the same. So those who are not members should consider the cost of failure - a lot more than one annual membership but that year should be enough to firmly make up everyone's mind and then ......................
foxdropper
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Hopefully you have enough of a following already mate and the overdue verbal arse whooping is allowed to come to fruition .
I’m very sceptical of any outfit who pertains to care the slightest for anything other than their own personal interests ,seen too much to ever think this will change .
Too many issues we’ve been let down on to think change is at our fingertips yet those at the seat of power continue to enjoy their own pastimes throwing others to the trash along the way
I’m very sceptical of any outfit who pertains to care the slightest for anything other than their own personal interests ,seen too much to ever think this will change .
Too many issues we’ve been let down on to think change is at our fingertips yet those at the seat of power continue to enjoy their own pastimes throwing others to the trash along the way
I would be asking some questions of past council members too .... the whole point of council is as a steering influence, no?
Yes, however the point I have made about BASC staff not making any more posting's seems to be washed over on this thread...
There is a reason for it but side stepping that reason is quite obvious, would you not agree?
Tim.243
More than that Finn - I would say Council directs (or should direct) BASC. The Chief Exec implements the Council's Strategic Objectives and achieves the factors critical to the success of the organisation. The CEO has already said this but it would be wise to review it regularly.
Council should IMHO set goals and objectives, revise the Constitution as necessary, review and makes policy on e.g. an aggressive defence of shooting, lead etc
It should commission studies relevant to supporting shooting and the ENVIRONMENT and arrange dissemination of those studies etc. From these essentials should flow staff objectives through appraisals which should be annually or 6 monthly in a transition period.
BASC Council is ultimately responsible for the 'culture' of the organisation which will define how successfully the whole organisation achieves the set objectives.
The whole organisation needs exposure to the Business Excellence Model in my view but seems stuck in a TQM approach, which is but a part.
Anyway this is all immaterial unless I or someone else can galvanise the other Council Members or maybe their 'voters' can by a regular update on who is trying to achieve what, at each of the 10 annual Council meetings.
It might be useful to have a system which applies to MP's - were they there ?, what did they vote for, what policy have they sought to change/influence, what policy have they not supported. Members seem to be less concerned with what Council Members do after election, working on the 'he's a good chap' principle.
We shall see - no response from BASC yet on whether I will be allowed to rejoin to stand.
Just a few thoughts for the 'gang' - we do need a better nom de plume.
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