BASC Level 2 time frames YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

[Monkey Spanker]

Is the lev2 worth while the jury is out and it failed the deer sector have chosen lev 1. This makes it a useless bit of paper.

Many places and agencies now insist on stalkers having DSC 2. RSPB, Wildlife Trusts, MOD, to name but a few of the major ones. To those privileged enough to stalk such places, I would suggest it is far from a useless bit of paper! More of a 'Golden Ticket'!
MS

 

[liddlesdale]

Many places and agencies now insist on stalkers having DSC 2. RSPB, Wildlife Trusts, MOD, to name but a few of the major ones. To those privileged enough to stalk such places, I would suggest it is far from a useless bit of paper! More of a 'Golden Ticket'!
MS

+1, and National Trust, English Heritage to name a few more

 

[Erik Hamburger]

Is the lev2 worth while the jury is out and it failed the deer sector have chosen lev 1. This makes it a useless bit of paper.

Well, one has to be pragmatic. There are many old boys in the stalking world, masses of experience, but they refuse to get an up-to-date course, learn new skills or test their own ability against others. They don't value the DSC2, they just value their enormous experience.
However, me, as a newby and novice, have seen doors opened for me thanks to going through the trouble of getting the DSC2, door which are not open to those old boys with all their experience. Wrong? Maybe. However, that is how it is...so be pragmatic.

 

[6pointer]

MS I see your point that said this qualification is our own doing and our own invention.BASC have with out doubt created the bigger cash cow than they could ever imagine. All this done while there own members were shouting a no vote.

 

[Uncle Norm]

Many places and agencies now insist on stalkers having DSC 2. RSPB, Wildlife Trusts, MOD, to name but a few of the major ones. To those privileged enough to stalk such places, I would suggest it is far from a useless bit of paper! More of a 'Golden Ticket'!
MS

Well, one has to be pragmatic. There are many old boys in the stalking world, masses of experience, but they refuse to get an up-to-date course, learn new skills or test their own ability against others. They don't value the DSC2, they just value their enormous experience.
However, me, as a newby and novice, have seen doors opened for me thanks to going through the trouble of getting the DSC2, door which are not open to those old boys with all their experience. Wrong? Maybe. However, that is how it is...so be pragmatic.

Well this 'old boy' passed his DSC L2 several years ago, precisely for the reasons outlined above. The irony is that my pal, who taught me deerstalking from scratch, is still a better shot than me, quicker at field dressing deer and whose butchery skills leave me far behind, is dead set against Level 2 for a range of sincerely held reasons.

I am still not forgiven for having done it.

Very occasionally, when on an outing with my pal, I pin my L2 badge to my hat and its 'a rise every time' . Wish I could find a trout fly that is so effective. Mind you, I remove the badge pretty sharpish to avoid it being inserted somewhere painful.

The plum for me would be that opportunity for us both, where the landowner requires DSC L2 and I have to produce that 'useless' piece of paper. It hasn't happened yet but I keep willing it to do so.
I should need to make sure that ice packs and a defibrillator are on hand as I'm sure he would have a seizure !

 

[MJ75]

Well, one has to be pragmatic. There are many old boys in the stalking world, masses of experience, but they refuse to get an up-to-date course, learn new skills or test their own ability against others. They don't value the DSC2, they just value their enormous experience.
However, me, as a newby and novice, have seen doors opened for me thanks to going through the trouble of getting the DSC2, door which are not open to those old boys with all their experience. Wrong? Maybe. However, that is how it is...so be pragmatic.

My thoughts entirely. I undertook it simply because it increases the number of potential leases available.

Maybe, if I ever get my certificate I'll be part of a FC syndicate....

 

[Lee 308]

just to add, its certainly not just fc who want level 2 anymore, ive been in a syndicate with a private forestry company for 4 years and last renewal(Nov 2013) they told us nobody without level 2 could re-new, no previous warnings and no exceptions. 3 out of the 5 members lost their stalking, makes me glad i put the money, time and effort in to get mine.

 

[trouble]

Thank you.

Can you please answer my previous question, as to why my portfolio required not one but two independent verifiers to asses it?

Can you also advise if BASC will be putting in procedures to monitor the time frames of the whole process and improve communication to their customers?

You could have just left it at "thank you" , Davids looked into it and told you your bit of paper and shiney new badge are in the post so thats it job done . Your not happy with BASC so i dont supose youll use them again so leave it at that

 

[Paul at Fechan]

DSC2 is a standard, whether it's the bar, above the bar or a worthless piece of paper matters not if you need it, wanted to achieve it for your personal satisfaction or simple collect certificates like trophies. It's a positive thing to raise your standard but be ahead of the curve 'if' standards change.

Assessment centres rely on co-operation from individuals outside of their organisation to verify portfolios and while it is easy to point the finger of blame at an assessment centre, these people involved in external verification have their own methods, some do them right away while others collect a few before doing a batch. BASC in this case were left chasing it seems because of a complication outside of their control. While I'm sure lessons have been learned and an excuse is still only an excuse lets not forget that they process a very high amount of portfolios and this type of problem happens rarely.

 

[MJ75]

DSC2 is a standard, whether it's the bar, above the bar or a worthless piece of paper matters not if you need it, wanted to achieve it for your personal satisfaction or simple collect certificates like trophies. It's a positive thing to raise your standard but be ahead of the curve 'if' standards change.

Assessment centres rely on co-operation from individuals outside of their organisation to verify portfolios and while it is easy to point the finger of blame at an assessment centre, these people involved in external verification have their own methods, some do them right away while others collect a few before doing a batch. BASC in this case were left chasing it seems because of a complication outside of their control. While I'm sure lessons have been learned and an excuse is still only an excuse lets not forget that they process a very high amount of portfolios and this type of problem happens rarely.

I had a lengthy chat with an AW who undertakes a lot of level 2 work on a commercial basis yesterday. Apparently there are many candidates in a similar position to me. I was advised that the target turn around timeis actually six weeks. However many are taking considerably more than that. There is no uniform standard amongst all parties involved and some are clearly not up to the job. So it looks to me like DMQ really need to ensure that everyone is more on the ball and working to more consistent time frames.

One chap had his returned n just three weeks, so it really can be done.

 

[David63]

I will get the number as requested

David

 

[6pointer]

MJ75 DMQ is only a name BASC run the system if you do not agree with it then that is were you first point of call should be . Mandy is only admin and she can only deal with what is placed in front of her.

 

[MJ75]

I will get the number as requested

David

Thanks. It must arrive tomorrow!

MJ75 DMQ is only a name BASC run the system if you do not agree with it then that is were you first point of call should be . Mandy is only admin and she can only deal with what is placed in front of her.

If you read the thread you'll see that my certificate has finally been printed, signed and posted. I have no issue with Mandy and don't understand why you imply that I have? I've not had a few calls returned from Mary Fishburn at BASC, and she's been consistantly hopeless when I've asked for information. Have you confused the two?

 

[MJ75]

6pointer, I've just read your post in the other thread. I understand the point you are making now.

The system is a farce and needs serious improvement on all levels.

 

[David63]

May I respectfully ask that you stop calling Mary 'hopeless' etc., she is not on this forum and not in a position to defend herself so please stop.

I do know that Marry chased the assessor and the IV and indeed asked the IV to call you to explain and apologise for the delay.

David

 

[widows son]

6pointer, I've just read your post in the other thread. I understand the point you are making now.

The system is a farce and needs serious improvement on all levels.

The system is only wrong when you want it to be, or you want something asap and it doesnt happen ,as i said earlier you should have started it sooner.

 

[MJ75]

May I respectfully ask that you stop calling Mary 'hopeless' etc., she is not on this forum and not in a position to defend herself so please stop.

I do know that Marry chased the assessor and the IV and indeed asked the IV to call you to explain and apologise for the delay.

David

She can join, and if she did not return my calls as requested, failed to send the confirmation letter as I'm told she should have, then I'm entitled to my opinion after all.

BASC staff have been very critical of firearms licensing departments when they have been guilty of poor admin practises as has been pointed out elsewhere, yet you do not seem to be much better.

Now, may I respectfully have the tracking number as requested so I can find out where my certificate is please? I don't appear to have a PM advising of it, are you sure it has been dispatched?

 

[MJ75]

The system is only wrong when you want it to be, or you want something asap and it doesnt happen ,as i said earlier you should have started it sooner.

I've already responded pointing out why your point is moot. If you cannot understand that in the very simple terms I used then I can't help any more I'm afraid.

 

[David63]

I have been very busy with a tricky insurance claim but you tracking number bit its inbound now.


I cannot possibly support or agree with your pitiful attempt to justify your name calling of a lady you don't know nor have ever met .

I have said all I will on this and I consider the matter closed.

David

 

[MJ75]

I have been very busy with a tricky insurance claim but you tracking number bit its inbound now.


I cannot possibly support or agree with your pitiful attempt to justify your name calling of a lady you don't know nor have ever met .

I have said all I will on this and I consider the matter closed.

David

So you consider the matter closed even though I still do not have my certificate? Thank you, that's most helpful.

I've just entered the tracking number into the royal mails website. It's not even showing as being received at a depot as yet. Are you absolutely certain this is correct and that it has actually been sent?

And to be quite frank, it is you being quite pitiful in trying to deflect your organisations blatant incompetence.

So can I respectfully ask that you check you have the right number? As KF637500045GB should at least have some information two days after posting! Are you absolutely certain it has been posted?