So arguing against a ban vs promoting a transition away achieves what exactly? The end result is the same. It feels like you are trying to blow smoke up our ass here my friend.
"BASC slams Government’s lead ammunition review" - A bit bloody late!!!!!!!
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terrier1
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You need to read thing more carefully.
The five-year proposal allows for a smooth transition giving both the shooting community and the industry time to adapt. As organisationSSS that serve our members, we will be leading the way with this transition ensuring that it is successful.
So can I ask if you are organisationSSSS that serves its members.
Why did you NOT CONSULT YOUR MEMBERS
The key words are organisations and members.
Full backpedal mode, how long before a U turn?
terrier1
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When they have lost too members.
Conor O'Gorman
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Perhaps helpful to recall what we are fighting here:
The Health and Safety Executive proposals in the recently ended 6-month consultation were, in summary:
There is another consultation due in February 2023, following which final recommendations will be submitted to Defra. And then it will be for the government to decide whether to act on those recommendations.
If the HSE continues down its current path there will be a political battle ahead and BASC will fight our corner.
The Health and Safety Executive proposals in the recently ended 6-month consultation were, in summary:
- a ban on the sale of lead shot
- a ban on the use of all types of lead ammunition for live quarry shooting including lead shot, shotgun slugs, lead bullets and airgun pellets
- a ban on the use of all types of lead ammunition for outdoor target shooting, with possible exemptions for shooting at licensed ranges with prescribed environmental protection measures in place.
There is another consultation due in February 2023, following which final recommendations will be submitted to Defra. And then it will be for the government to decide whether to act on those recommendations.
If the HSE continues down its current path there will be a political battle ahead and BASC will fight our corner.
Perhaps BASC could ask all its members to respond individually, providing a range of standard answers which reflect all the concerns about air gun pellets, private consumption of meat being exempt, efficacy opf .22 rifle bullets, the need to control vermin which does not enter the food chain and all the arguments everyone knows about instead of merely saying "we will fight these proposals - use your membership to good effect - ask all other orgs to do the same. I shall be writing personally to the HSE and my MP 300,000ish letters should carry some weight - you could also always quote Norway's reversing the decision based on actual facts not merely (e.g.) Wild Justices assertion, without specific proof, that "lead is bad in any quantity for you".
This battle is of your making. Or should that be John Swift's.
Recover some credibility and WIN for once.
Not really dug too deep into the info on a future lead ban, mainly feel it's hopeless one man trying to fight it when the organisations like Bend over BASC , (of which I am cancelling my membership) just try pandering to proposal's rather than fighting them. It might buy them 10 yrs or so, but what next? In Scotland they are trying to ban hunting rabbits with a dog now!
A brief skim through this thread makes if sound like the only reason for it is lead ending up in the consumption of wild game meat.
I know this isn't totally the case and understand how mass quantities of lead shot from shotguns could cause a problem, this is why BASC are pandering and wanting everybody's help, it's all they care about.
Let's just legislate that any people putting any body shot wild meat into the human food chain use lead free ammo.
There, sorted it, easy peasy.
A brief skim through this thread makes if sound like the only reason for it is lead ending up in the consumption of wild game meat.
I know this isn't totally the case and understand how mass quantities of lead shot from shotguns could cause a problem, this is why BASC are pandering and wanting everybody's help, it's all they care about.
Let's just legislate that any people putting any body shot wild meat into the human food chain use lead free ammo.
There, sorted it, easy peasy.
First time for everything
enfieldspares
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And what, pray, have BASC proposed? Oh, yes...this...on 24 February 2020.
So in effect BASC "welcome" a ban on lead shot for live quarry (with shotguns) by February 2025.
And which, of course, any proposed REACH ban still has to await their further "Socio Economic Opinion" which is required to be of sixty days duration when it is held. So by my calculations the BASC ban has a date well before any decided upon REACH proposed transition period would have.
Except of course, now, I have little doubt that in the case of shotguns that REACH, if it comes, may well now cite, quote, publish, use BASC's own February 2025 "date"! An so introduce a ban on lead shot in shotguns for live quarry with a shorter transition (and so give us an earlier ban date) for that that if BASC hadn't opened its mouth and then proceeded to insert both feet therein.
And all from BASC without seeking any input from its members before that 24 February 2020 letter.
BASC? For its Members? = More like "Bugger Any Suggestion of Consultation for its Members"?
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Ferretlurcher70
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Time to stock up on lead
8x57
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Leec6.5
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kenbro
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Yes, you there, that man, please step forward and identify yourself if you don’t break the law…..If they ban it your fuked
Ken.
Yes, you there, that man, please step forward and identify yourself if you don’t break the law…..
Ken.
Replacement costs of a '1 for 1' with copper would be a minimum of £1.10 per head, happy to trade in at that rate
If I'm not mistaken there was a survey open for everyone to respond on the matter recently, so regardless of any organisation that should have been something everyone has done
timbrayford
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Unsurprisingly the gun trade have been unable to unconditionally support the use of steel shot in traditional game guns, typical of what you might use on a driven or rough shoot
I don't get why they have to go after target shooters. Alot of us who like to go on range days use MOD ranges, MOD doesn't like monos, lead would no longer be legal to use so we wouldn't be able to shoot. This is before the ridiculous cost involved with solids especially when 100+ rounds in a day is normal. I can understand the mentality of keeping lead out the food chain but leave ranges out of it.
enfieldspares
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You can stop a dog from wagging its tail by cutting off said appendage. Or you can simply cut off its head. This IMHO was never, to some, about anything but the decapitation of recreational shooting "by other means". Make it so expensive that the diehards that still remain after all the legislation passed as specific Firearms Acts hasn't terminally discouraged them by instead pricing them out of that of the sport they still persist in stubbornly clinging to their wish to participate in. That's the mentality I fear of many that wish to see lead banned. Not out of any concern for animal welfare but instead as a means to end all sports shooting. Participation in the activity won't be ended as such and BASC will indeed no doubt "welcome" that after a lead ban shooting still continue to be open to all. Yes. Absolutely. Just as is dining at the Ritz.
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They did this in the US. Go after the ammo importation to starve shooters into submission as its easier than changing their gun legislation. Mind I'd expect our government to do what Canada and New Zealand did and just ban everything over night if they so wished.
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