Best all-round “calibre” aka chambering…

Honestly?
There isn’t gnats eyelashes between them.
In theory the 7mm has an advantage because of a wider range of projectiles, in practice for game shooting it makes no difference.
If there is any advantage, it goes to the 7x64 or.270 based on availability.
Maybe the typically longer throats and quicker twist rates of the x64 also gives it a bit of edge, especially now with the longer non leads?
A bit like with the 7x57 for similar reasons, utilitarian logic could suggest that the x64 should be about to get a bit of revival But then again what becomes popular on the market and what utalitarian logic dictates should be popular doesnt always match.
In fact let's see if the 280 rem isnt soon reinvented in a shorter but fatter case, maintaining its case capacity, in a design and twist rate catering for both longer and shorter bullets. So basically a short and fat 7x64, claiming to be the wheel reinvented (like the CM and PRC family are somewhat too).
 
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Its not better, unless your definition of “ better “ is narrower than a midges flute

Fcuk no! I know when I’m well suited.

I dont think so, she really didn’t like man buns or tattoos.

Maybe I’m not explaining this properly.
If all I wanted was a rifle with a short action capable of taking deer sized animals and excellent accuracy, a Creed would probably suit.
You have to admit thats a fairly tight job description.
Unfortunately for your argument, I want more. I want a single cartridge that I can use for everything from willow grouse to moose and European brown bear with a bit of long range target work thrown in. I want a large variety of factory ammo and if it comes to it, I something that will feed through a belt into a machine gun.
The Swede has it all, you can even find tracer ammo for it.
Honestly, if you were pick a single rifle to shoot everything from small birds and fur bearers through to boar and moose,
( factory ammo only) would you go Swede or Creed?
Thats why it’s better.
In comparison, the Creed is just a one trick pony.
So why is it “better”?
That might just be the worst argument against the creed I have ever read. I’m not even a massive fan of the creedmoor, but in your attempt to attack the cartridge you have pretty much made it sound like the most versatile cartridge in the world 😂 factory ammo only in the uk? I would definitely go for the creed. Probably 6x the selection and availability in any average gunshop over the swede.
 
That might just be the worst argument against the creed I have ever read. I’m not even a massive fan of the creedmoor, but in your attempt to attack the cartridge you have pretty much made it sound like the most versatile cartridge in the world 😂 factory ammo only in the uk? I would definitely go for the creed. Probably 6x the selection and availability in any average gunshop over the swede.
Bugger.
I may have been swayed by the large bag of ammo I was gifted by a Swedish lady.
It had everything in it, I really liked the FMJ’s .
I haven’t had to buy much ammo for quite a while.
I hate progress.
 
You’re just going to get a list of everyone’s favourite cartridges 😁

Here’s mine (for deer):
.300 win mag
.25-06
.45-70
.222

With the lead ban coming I’m tempted to rebarrel the .25 as a .270 as there is WAY more copper ammo out there for the .270 tbh.
 
You’re just going to get a list of everyone’s favourite cartridges 😁

Here’s mine (for deer):
.300 win mag
.25-06
.45-70
.222

With the lead ban coming I’m tempted to rebarrel the .25 as a .270 as there is WAY more copper ammo out there for the .270 tbh.
haha, well i guess, and kind of hope, that most of us use what we like ,D

ps. do you mean ammo or projectiles? because if it is the latter, then perhaps consider the 7x64 instead. :)
 
To the original poster… and please keep in mind that this is only my view based on my experience. There is no “best calibre for all UK deer”. Everything is a compromise of the species you seek… its habitat and the type of shot you’re likely to get at it. A large deer species over distance on a windy hill is going to be a lot different to a smaller deer in a wood. I like the 6.5 but keep in mind the drop of impact at distance …… you need to put the time in and learn the drops. Yes it has loads of stopping power and wind “friendly” but like all things it has its place. Personally I use a 2506….. an underestimated by many calibre. I can load heavy for the bigger stuff and light for the smaller. When loaded light it is fairly flat with low recoil. It’s a compromise …. I don’t pretend to suggest it’s the best but it works well for my needs. Can I also add that with 75g it’s a demon fox round!
 
I loved my Swede FB. I think to many look at the numbers and think more is better.
Unfortunately they are selling themselves short. The Swede has plenty legs and with them long bullets will go plenty deep. Excellent for varmints with 90gn v max.
I think the swede is the best all rounder. From munties to reds it can take them all and without smashing smaller deer to bits
 
Very simple answer IMO - no ‘standard’ 6.5 can be the best, be that Creed, Swede or other.

From using a 6.5X47, .308, 7 Mag and .300 Mag on deer I can say the 6.5 is unmistakably average at all ranges in comparison to one or the rest.

At close range it is okay, but lacks in knock down in comparison to the higher energy/frontal area of the .308, 7 Mag.

At medium range it is again okay, but lacks knockdown power further. The .308, 7 Mag and .300 Mag again beat it.

At long range it becomes poor, with narrowing wound tracts. The Mags are a far better choice.

Therefore for ‘normal stalking range’ use I would always choose a .308 Win as a better calibre, if shooting at medium and long range I would suggest 7 Mag or .300 Mag is a better choice.

In truth if you need to do it all though, the 7 Mag is very hard to beat with mild recoil, acceptable carcass damage and good knockdown.


Ben
 
45/70 . Sorry , I had to, there's far too much common sense in this thread . In all honesty, any of the above mentioned cartridges would work perfectly ............... but a nice 6.5 Swede would be very handy , just saying ...... cough .

AB
 
Its not better, unless your definition of “ better “ is narrower than a midges flute better is better anyway you dress it up! so stop saying it's better if it isn't ?

Fcuk no! I know when I’m well suited. are you also self aware enough to know when you're talking silly nonsense and not facts?

I dont think so, she really didn’t like man buns or tattoos. whats that go to do with creedmoors ? unless perhaps you believe the nonsense written about it ?(that would explain our exchange though in fairness!)

Maybe I’m not explaining this properly. no, you're making my argument very well for me !
If all I wanted was a rifle with a short action capable of taking deer sized animals and excellent accuracy, a Creed would probably suit. it very much would and as a bonus it does many other things well , better even than the 55
You have to admit thats a fairly tight job description. it's your limited job description to try and make your argument work , you're failing FYI
Unfortunately for your argument, I want more. I want a single cartridge that I can use for everything from willow grouse to moose and European brown bear with a bit of long range target work thrown in. I want a large variety of factory ammo and if it comes to it, I something that will feed through a belt into a machine gun. if you want more use the creedmoor since it is slightly better by your own admission than the 55 ? why would you need a round that feeds through a belt fed machinegun , bit weird but fyi creedmoor fits in gpmg link so a rebarrel and you've got your MG
The Swede has it all, you can even find tracer ammo for it. i have tracer for my creedmoor but thats no surprise since it uses the same bullets as the 55
Honestly, if you were pick a single rifle to shoot everything from small birds and fur bearers through to boar and moose,
( factory ammo only) would you go Swede or Creed? creed all day long , got any tougher questions?
Thats why it’s better. but it isn't as you keep saying , you really have to decide what you are arguing about?
In comparison, the Creed is just a one trick pony. the creed is a modern better 55 so is the 55 a 1 trick pony ?
So why is it “better”? for all the reasons i listed and on top of that this fella dunwater keeps saying it is as well but despite him listing the ways it's better he then trys to argue it isn't , seems a bit weird to me ?

good morning x
 
Not directed at anyone -
Why does anyone care about this pointless thread? A best “all-round” doesn’t exist and when it gets beyond cordial discussion about something that cannot be answered, we should go stalking instead of talking.
I’m sure someone will take issue with this, but really there must be bigger problems in everyone’s lives?

No offence to the OP as I know it was started as a bit of fun.
 
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Much has been said on this and other (spit) sites about the “best” chambering for all UK deer. Many elderly be-kilted SD types vouch for the .270 whilst some of the younger (obviously) non-binary types wax their legs lyrical about something called the Creedmoor. Personally, apart from the shorter action/case the latter offers nothing over the Real Man’s 6.5x55SE or even the good ol’ fashioned .260 - unless you have a machine gun of course…
Sooo do tell me why the 6.5x55SE doesn’t reign supreme, go on I dare you?
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Rifle and ammo makers don't make money from people sticking with tried and tested 150yr old cartridges

But deer don't know what calibre hit them.....
Bullets don't know what cartridge sent them...
 
Not directed at anyone -
Why does anyone care about this pointless thread? A best “all-round” doesn’t exist and when it gets beyond cordial discussion about something that cannot be answered, we should go stalking instead of talking.
I’m sure someone will take issue with this, but really there must be bigger problems in everyone’s lives?

No offence to the OP as I know it was started as a bit of fun.

speaking for myself , i don't care

but , a deciding factor in buying a couple of creeds was how it triggers fudds !

we have TDS , and now we have CDS , often afflicting the same members......

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Not directed at anyone -
Why does anyone care about this pointless thread? A best “all-round” doesn’t exist and when it gets beyond cordial discussion about something that cannot be answered, we should go stalking instead of talking.
I’m sure someone will take issue with this, but really there must be bigger problems in everyone’s lives?

No offence to the OP as I know it was started as a bit of fun.
Huh!
75 posts including yours on this “pointless thread”?
None taken….
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Huh!
75 posts including yours on this “pointless thread”?
None taken….
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Its a constant source of amusement so is in no way pointless as per the comment above :)

Sure we would all rather be out stalking but Im at work so alas dip in an out and keep myself amused by people thinking that there is a need for anything other then the 6.5 Creed...gaymoor tastic :lol:
 
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