Big Game Rifle - Double, Single or Bolt Action?
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Vortex2019
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I have a Ruger No1 in .375 H&H and it’s very quick to get on target.
very accurate considering people say they aren’t that accurate, maybe I got a good one.
Once you get that reloading down, have the spare ammo in the right spot it is quite quick.
very accurate considering people say they aren’t that accurate, maybe I got a good one.
Once you get that reloading down, have the spare ammo in the right spot it is quite quick.
enfieldspares
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The guy with the Beretta double clearly doesn't know as well how to use it as does the guy with the bolt action know how to use his Sako rifle.
greenshoots
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the bolt action has room for improvment
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Vortex2019
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Ye he could do with controlling that muzzle. The guy with the number1 is spot on.
mchughcb
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Its it really that clear?
Heym SR20
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A Double isxalways going to be very fast for shots 1 and 2 and there is the element no faffing required between shots and you have two firing mechanisms and two triggers so of one just goes click the other will still go bang.
A double is pretty fast to reload provided ammo is readily available. And will keep being just as fast until ammo is exhausted.
A bolt action for dangerous game should have four or five rounds in the magazine and be properly set up. But you need good technique. Safest and most reliable is to drop butt out of the shoulder so you can see the empty fly out and fresh be loaded. And you can much more easily sort it if needs be. Practical tactical prefer butt to remain in shoulder. Possibly quicker on targets but as reliable when you have animals about??
Single shot, well you just have the one shot, but a reload is just as quick as a double.
But with any its the time to take the shot and to get the shot on target. With a good shot and well fitting gun that round should go off as the butt plate hits the shoulder and the sights should align themselves with the target.
I have witnessed at close hand a charging lion and the speed they cover 50m allows very little time - you had better make that first shot count and make it count very quickly. Mostly you wont get 50m - more like 20m and from that distance is one bound.
Fortunately when I witnessed such a charge the Lion was going for the bait cow rather than for me.
A double is pretty fast to reload provided ammo is readily available. And will keep being just as fast until ammo is exhausted.
A bolt action for dangerous game should have four or five rounds in the magazine and be properly set up. But you need good technique. Safest and most reliable is to drop butt out of the shoulder so you can see the empty fly out and fresh be loaded. And you can much more easily sort it if needs be. Practical tactical prefer butt to remain in shoulder. Possibly quicker on targets but as reliable when you have animals about??
Single shot, well you just have the one shot, but a reload is just as quick as a double.
But with any its the time to take the shot and to get the shot on target. With a good shot and well fitting gun that round should go off as the butt plate hits the shoulder and the sights should align themselves with the target.
I have witnessed at close hand a charging lion and the speed they cover 50m allows very little time - you had better make that first shot count and make it count very quickly. Mostly you wont get 50m - more like 20m and from that distance is one bound.
Fortunately when I witnessed such a charge the Lion was going for the bait cow rather than for me.
scrumbag
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As I've posted before the BSRC do something called the special snap which is 8 shots in 35 seconds
Most reliable for getting all 8 off are the 35 Whelans, 9.3x62 bolt actions as you can start with 5 or 6 in the gun.
The doubles usually do quite well as their "double taps" are quite fast and need 3 reloads. With an ejector this seems manageable. Also I'm told that reloading a 20b SxS is a good proxy for a double rifle.
The guys who struggle tend to be with the .400" plus bolt actions.
These tend to be heavy recoiling and you can maybe only start with 4 or 3 in the gun.
What kills you in that competition are the reloads. I would say it's quite common for the guys with the "big mauser" actions not to practice quickly stuffing rounds in the magazine.
Also it depends if you are truly sporting with your reloads and single load as you might if you had something bearing down on you or you recharge the magazine for time efficiency
I wonder if people realise you can take the firing pin out of a mauser bolt easily so you can practice at home?
Scrummy
Most reliable for getting all 8 off are the 35 Whelans, 9.3x62 bolt actions as you can start with 5 or 6 in the gun.
The doubles usually do quite well as their "double taps" are quite fast and need 3 reloads. With an ejector this seems manageable. Also I'm told that reloading a 20b SxS is a good proxy for a double rifle.
The guys who struggle tend to be with the .400" plus bolt actions.
These tend to be heavy recoiling and you can maybe only start with 4 or 3 in the gun.
What kills you in that competition are the reloads. I would say it's quite common for the guys with the "big mauser" actions not to practice quickly stuffing rounds in the magazine.
Also it depends if you are truly sporting with your reloads and single load as you might if you had something bearing down on you or you recharge the magazine for time efficiency
I wonder if people realise you can take the firing pin out of a mauser bolt easily so you can practice at home?
Scrummy
8x57
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I am reading this right, aren't the targets numbered from left to right?
If that's the case the double rifle scored 37 points, the single shot scored 15 points, and the bolt action rifle scored 6 points.
I'm sure that with the right technique such as holding spare ammo in pairs between the fingers of the supporting hand the double rifle would be even quicker.
But as Heym says I wouldn't like to have to do this for real, a paper target compared to a big angry tabby cat coming towards you is another thing.
mchughcb
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I am reading this right, aren't the targets numbered from left to right?
If that's the case the double rifle scored 37 points, the single shot scored 15 points, and the bolt action rifle scored 6 points.
I'm sure that with the right technique such as holding spare ammo in pairs between the fingers of the supporting hand the double rifle would be even quicker.
But as Heym says I wouldn't like to have to do this for real, a paper target compared to a big angry tabby cat coming towards you is another thing.
You are spot on. The guy with double finshed 2nd from a field of 38. He is a very good shot.
mchughcb
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Next time ill post a video of me on special snap with my 416. 8 shots in 35 seconds.
John Gryphon
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And the bolt rifle at 29 seconds?
mchughcb
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He is a crack shot and that sort of shooting offhand with big game open sights during a timed event is impressive. And he's a funny guy to boot.Nice to see that the guy with the double was using open sights.
mchughcb
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I have not shot a lion but have shot deer and foxes running toward me flat out.
The reality is a charging animal at 60km per hour is travelling 15m/s. Therefore it will take just over three seconds from 50m to get you. If you miss on the first shot you have less than three seconds to swing back onto target and get the second shot off. The angle is changing very quickly. On a charging animal you really don't time. I put myself in stressful hunting situations hundreds of times per year. Being able to fire multiple times without taking my head off the stock or cycling an action makes a big difference when milliseconds count.
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