Bolt fluting proof

Selling a chambered barrel is classed as a sale of a firearm/component part, therefore it must be proofed. If you chambered your own barrel then it would only need proofing if you sold it. Fluting a bolt or threading a muzzle is not a sale, it’s altering the part. So no need for proof until you sold the rifle. It’s quite clear cut 👍🏻
 
So, let me ask this question. If you have a bolt fluted, then sell the rifle, how does anyone know if the rifle has been proofed after the bolt fluting, or, that it wasn't that way when you received the rifle?

As to whether it serves a purpose or is just bling; might want to ask Accuracy International why they flute their bolts.
 
So, let me ask this question. If you have a bolt fluted, then sell the rifle, how does anyone know if the rifle has been proofed after the bolt fluting, or, that it wasn't that way when you received the rifle?

As to whether it serves a purpose or is just bling; might want to ask Accuracy International why they flute their bolts.
You don't unless you do your own research and check proof records or you know the rifle doesnt have a fluted bolt from factory and you can ask the seller about it being in proof. A guy here in the UK had his bolt fluted and this happened, was it a metal flaw, an ammo issue or was it because of the fluting...who knows. But if it's proofed after fluting it covers your own back if something like this happens and someone gets hurt. For how little it costs it's not worth the liability.

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As you say with a a bolt with forward locking lugs it should not weaken it for primary pressure bearing.
However I've often read that the bolt handle locking into the receiver is considered to be a third/fourth safety lug in the unlikely event of bolt failure. Therefore could fluting the bolt possibly be considered as weakening a potentially pressure bearing part and thus require proofing? :-|
The bolt handles abilty to take the thrust force under a lug failure has not been proved by the proof test. So fluting would not hsve invalidated that, which was not and could not be tested. Good question though.
 
You don't unless you do your own research and check proof records or you know the rifle doesnt have a fluted bolt from factory and you can ask the seller about it being in proof. A guy here in the UK had his bolt fluted and this happened, was it a metal flaw, an ammo issue or was it because of the fluting...who knows. But if it's proofed after fluting it covers your own back if something like this happens and someone gets hurt. For how little it costs it's not worth the liability.

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Proof records only record muzzle thread present or not, they don’t record fluting of barrels, bolts or even barrel od, which in theory could be reprofiled and invalidate proof without removing the marks. All that can be checked is that there are proof marks at chamber and muzzle if threaded.
 
I've tried cerakote on motorcycle bits (barrels, heads pistons, inside exhaust headers, brake calipers etc) and the instructions are approx 120°c for cerakote to get baked on. So far so good.
Surely just over boiling water temperature shouldn't affect the temper of steel to failure, unless I'm missing something as a dabbler.
I know the cerakote on my race bike piston tops are just fine at 750°c. The bike was raced for 24hr straight give or take pitstops for fuel and rider change over etc.
Baking it in the ceracoat oven too long?
 
I've tried cerakote on motorcycle bits (barrels, heads pistons, inside exhaust headers, brake calipers etc) and the instructions are approx 120°c for cerakote to get baked on. So far so good.
Surely just over boiling water temperature shouldn't affect the temper of steel to failure, unless I'm missing something as a dabbler.
I know the cerakote on my race bike piston tops are just fine at 750°c. The bike was raced for 24hr straight give or take pitstops for fuel and rider change over etc.

I've tried cerakote on motorcycle bits (barrels, heads pistons, inside exhaust headers, brake calipers etc) and the instructions are approx 120°c for cerakote to get baked on. So far so good.
Surely just over boiling water temperature shouldn't affect the temper of steel to failure, unless I'm missing something as a dabbler.
I know the cerakote on my race bike piston tops are just fine at 750°c. The bike was raced for 24hr straight give or take pitstops for fuel and rider change over etc.
I was joking. Interesting that ceracoat is so tough, only yesterday i was trying to remove some of it from a barrel that was reclaimed from another rifle due to poor quality work on both the tennon and muzzle threads. The stuff is really tough, barrel spinning at 2000rpm and 600 grit silicon carbide doesn’t touch it.
 
Those reproofs under discussion, are not mandated by CIP. Good old home-brew by UK... also £200+ was quoted for reproof, I sure hope very major part of that is freight cost (controlled item).

Here proof cost is about tenner or two and at the same time you can get additional laser markings that also have reasonable cost. I happen to live about 3km from Finnish proof house...
 
Over pressure?
Yes, severely. The case head expands and forces the bolt nose outwards. It then fractured at the weak points/stress risers of the extractor and ejector cuts. The fracture then propagated down the bolt body and in to a flute. It has nothing to do with the fluting even if they are a bit close to the lugs. The T3 bolts are a extremely hard stainless and tend to be a little brittle.

Interestingly if the tikka used a bolt nose counterbore like remington’s “three rings of steel” then the bolt nose couldn’t expand far enough to fracture, it would be contained by the counterbore. I’ve seen this several times on remingtons thay were accidently loaded with pistol powder.

In regards to bolt handles acting as secondary locking device, on some actions yes they do/could. But on remington’s soldered handle and tikka’s dovetail fitment, they would shear clean off in such an event. I’ve seen both break for a lot less.
 
Selling a chambered barrel is classed as a sale of a firearm/component part, therefore it must be proofed. If you chambered your own barrel then it would only need proofing if you sold it. Fluting a bolt or threading a muzzle is not a sale, it’s altering the part. So no need for proof until you sold the rifle. It’s quite clear cut 👍🏻

Yes, severely. The case head expands and forces the bolt nose outwards. It then fractured at the weak points/stress risers of the extractor and ejector cuts. The fracture then propagated down the bolt body and in to a flute. It has nothing to do with the fluting even if they are a bit close to the lugs. The T3 bolts are a extremely hard stainless and tend to be a little brittle.

Interestingly if the tikka used a bolt nose counterbore like remington’s “three rings of steel” then the bolt nose couldn’t expand far enough to fracture, it would be contained by the counterbore. I’ve seen this several times on remingtons thay were accidently loaded with pistol powder.

In regards to bolt handles acting as secondary locking device, on some actions yes they do/could. But on remington’s soldered handle and tikka’s dovetail fitment, they would shear clean off in such an event. I’ve seen both break for a lot less.
If it was done at the proof house, it proves it is the right thing to do after any work is done, and before it's handed back to the customer.

The proof house is there to protect us from potential catastrophic failure, by it happening in a safe controlled environment.

When a novice reloader starts out on his journey,, mistakes can happen. This is when covering one's work with due diligence and paper trail.

If doing a job that requires proof, but not doing the proof as the gunsmith, is a disclaimer issued letting the customer know their legal obligations given the rifle is now out of proof?
Up to this point I'm sure the majority of people who have had this work done are not aware of their rifle's changed legal position.....
Just thinking out loud for this one...
 
We personally inform people and it’s in our terms and conditions, as advised by the proof house and police.
 
You don't unless you do your own research and check proof records or you know the rifle doesnt have a fluted bolt from factory and you can ask the seller about it being in proof. A guy here in the UK had his bolt fluted and this happened, was it a metal flaw, an ammo issue or was it because of the fluting...who knows. But if it's proofed after fluting it covers your own back if something like this happens and someone gets hurt. For how little it costs it's not worth the liability.

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You don't need to be a Professor of Metallurgy to know the bolt body fluting played no part in the head's failure, but point taken regarding Proofing and third-party liability etc.

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