Brass jag question

[The Talisman]

Hopefully this is not a daft question, but, I have a .243 brass jag that is the pointed type that you push through the cleaning patch then obviously push down your barrel. The problem that I am having is that the patch falls off the jag as soon as its pushed into the barrel & only comes back out when the cleaning rod is pulled back out of the barrel, its totally useless. It seems that the patch is slipping right down the jag, rather than being held near the tip.
Have any of you ever had this problem? The only thing that I can think of is that, are these type of jags designed for use with the round cleaning patches, mine are the rectangle type?

 

[Rory]

You mean a spear jag? Yes, deffo try some circular patches. Intrigued though how it falls off? Do you use a chamber guide? It might help if you don't yet use one to try it. You will be able to control the patch rather than have it flap loose or fall off in the reciever/magazine area before it gets to the chamber.

 

[The Talisman]

You mean a spear jag? Yes, deffo try some circular patches. Intrigued though how it falls off? Do you use a chamber guide? It might help if you don't yet use one to try it. You will be able to control the patch rather than have it flap loose or fall off in the reciever/magazine area before it gets to the chamber.

Yes it is a spear jag.
No I dont currently use a chamber guide, once a patch falls off my spear jag I just give up & go back to my twisted loop jag (which involves fumbling to get the patch through the jag). I will try some circular patches & a chamber guide next to see if that help any.
Thanks for the help

 

[Shootgun]

I'm using Proshot style spear jags and never had any problems with both round and square patches.
You need to punch through the middle of the patch with the tip of the jag , no way that's going to fall off.

 

[Steff]

I suppose your problem is caused by the quality of the patches you are using. They are most probably of the loosely woven kind. Try some which are made of a firmer material. Those will hold on to the jag when you carefully insert them into the chamber and barrel.

 

[Primate]

Hopefully this is not a daft question, but, I have a .243 brass jag that is the pointed type that you push through the cleaning patch then obviously push down your barrel. The problem that I am having is that the patch falls off the jag as soon as its pushed into the barrel & only comes back out when the cleaning rod is pulled back out of the barrel, its totally useless. It seems that the patch is slipping right down the jag, rather than being held near the tip.
Have any of you ever had this problem? The only thing that I can think of is that, are these type of jags designed for use with the round cleaning patches, mine are the rectangle type?

No need at all to puncture the jag through the patch. Just fold the patch over the end of the jag and place it into your bore guide holding it to stay on with one hand. Push through the barrel and they drop off when exiting the muzzle

 

[Border]

Get a boreguide. That will help. With a spear point jag you can use both round and square patches. Pierce in the centre for maximum cleaning effect or slightly off centre for the first few patches of a dirty barrel to avoid it being too tight and getting stuck.

 

[Lateral]

I’ve had the same issue with some patches, and only use the Pro Shot patches now. Tight cotton weave, and never have an issue.

Or, have a look at the VFG felt pellet system. I’m starting to really like it.

 

[finnbear270]

I suppose your problem is caused by the quality of the patches you are using. They are most probably of the loosely woven kind. Try some which are made of a firmer material. Those will hold on to the jag when you carefully insert them into the chamber and barrel.

This, ... Also an improvment can be made by making a tiny nick or burr on the spear, as in a fishing hook barb, (but much smaller).

 

[Sonicdmb73]

I have had the same problem with 4”x2” cut for patches. As it is sized for looped pull through not a jag. If it’s slightly over sized or the patch is dry when you start cleaning ie dirty barrel. The jag can push through the patch. A bore guide certainly helps too.

 

[Alantoo]

snip... It seems that the patch is slipping right down the jag, rather than being held near the tip.
Have any of you ever had this problem? The only thing that I can think of is that, are these type of jags designed for use with the round cleaning patches, mine are the rectangle type?

The "Professionals Choice thick twill patches" I use are so tightly woven that it is difficult enough to get the spike to go through let alone their being able to slip over the body of the jag...it does sound like you are using the loosely woven Bisley shotgun type patches. With the appropriate patch the spear jag system seems much easier with it just falling off outside the muzzle when you withdraw the rod. No handling to take it off like the loop jag

No need at all to puncture the jag through the patch. Just fold the patch over the end of the jag and place it into your bore guide holding it to stay on with one hand. Push through the barrel and they drop off when exiting the muzzle

Duuh! That is interesting, why didn't I think of that! I will try that for dry patching...I have always faffed around piercing the patch dry or wet. I find it necessary to do it wet in order to hold the patch while I dribble on the Wipe Out. Ta for the heads up!

As another possibly useful tip, I have gone on to an aluminium spear jag which doesn't give any false copper colour on the patches like the brass ones do.

Alan

 

[Rusty Gate]

No need at all to puncture the jag through the patch. Just fold the patch over the end of the jag and place it into your bore guide holding it to stay on with one hand. Push through the barrel and they drop off when exiting the muzzle

No harm the point popping through, it's how I use mine & that forward part of the patch was only ever going to cover the top so was never going to contact the bore like the rest of the patch anyway.

 

[paul o']

Are the correct size patches being use and the point is there to punch into the patch and hold it centered , I don't know how is the patch coming off without making the jag go tight in the chamber ? iv never had the problem you have and i'v been using them since they came out

 

[dreddrockz]

May well be the patches as I haven't had similar with rectangle or circular? Try a different brand, Pro shoot work well