Browning Maral bolt removal

[Hales Smut]

The thumbhole system of the Blaser wont help for speed.
The Maral system ( as they say) is an evolution from the Bar system. A very reliable and tested action. Where allowed the BAR is about the best rifle you can buy. Accurate,low recoil, fast, .... no drawbacks.
A lot of BAR owners wont clean much. Most of them are peolpe wo don't think much about rifles, but just shoot them.

 

[8x57]

Personally, I just can't get on with the Blaser stock, I find them too long, and the pistol grip too bulky.

I just watched the link, and both the Maral, and Helix seemed to get off 3 shots, both reloaded a 4th, in the same time. Both were impressive. The guy with the Blaser only managed two, but I think his main problem was he was slow to get back on the target ?

I doubt anyone would be disappointed with any of them, regards reloading speed

I counted the Maral shooter as having got off four shots to the Helix three and the Blaser (thumbhole stock) 2. That's not to say that operator skill doesn't come in to it and also that those four shots may all have been misses as opposed to two good hits from the Blaser. That's the trouble with videos they don't show everything and can distort perceptions easily if edited in a certain way.

Like you say though I doubt that anyone would be disappointed with any of the three rifles. A straight pull definitely has the edge on speed over a conventional bolt action.

I would really like to see the Browning guy in action for real shooting the Maral, or even better still Franz-Albrecht Oettingen-Spielberg shooting the Maral. Now that would be something to witness by us mere mortals.


P.S. I don't know if you noticed but in the video they were all shooting plastic bulleted training rounds that have reduced recoil.

 

[Orion]

I counted the Maral shooter as having got off four shots to the Helix three and the Blaser (thumbhole stock) 2. That's not to say that operator skill doesn't come in to it and also that those four shots may all have been misses as opposed to two good hits from the Blaser. That's the trouble with videos they don't show everything and can distort perceptions easily if edited in a certain way.

Yes, it's all in the editing - check out how many the Maral shooter appears to load in the mag, and he then ejects something, (maybe a dummy round or previously spent case?), before comencing shooting. Interesting trigger action from the Helix shooter on his first round!

Like you say though I doubt that anyone would be disappointed with any of the three rifles. A straight pull definitely has the edge on speed over a conventional bolt action.

Shhhhhhh..................................... keep it quiet or you'll have the Eurocrats looking to ban them along with semi-autos!

 

[Conure]

Straight pull rifles are nothing new and various one have been about for well over 100 years.

http://www.accurateshooter.com/competition/anatomy-of-an-olympic-biathlon-rifle/

http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Bolt Action Rifles/CANADIAN ROSS RIFLE/CANADIAN ROSS RIFLE.htm

http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/rifle/heym-sr30-straight-pull-rifle-review

a quick search of the web brought those up and theyre are most likely many more that I have never seen or heard of. The olympic rifles were a surprise to me as I knew of the Browning T Bolt but not the competive Olympic ones.

The miltary used them in some places in the 19th century and early 20th century.

 

[Orion]

Straight pull rifles are nothing new and various one have been about for well over 100 years..........

Quite, but other than the Heym SR30 in your link I doubt many will have been used for driven shooting.

One of the most well known would be the Schmidt-Rubin series of rifles and carbines which were the issue longarms of the Swiss for many years.

 

[Hereford]

Franz is the man to watch with a Helix and some pigs - Helix marketing done and dusted with a 5 shot mag-on!

 

[Conure]

When searching came across a comment on the Ross and the Russian use of a rifle built on or based on the Ross that was used in the Moving target shooting at the Olympics but found no more about it. Must admit that I did not spend much time on it. As for the Schmidt Rubin that was one that I had not heard of until a fairly short time ago when it came up on some American forums. Now the Mannlicher however was known me through an old book about World War One as it covers the fight in the Balkans where the Astro Hungarians were fighting and their issue rifle was the Mannlicher straight pull in rifle and carbine form.

 

[Hereford]

Shhhhhhh..................................... keep it quiet or you'll have the Eurocrats looking to ban them along with semi-autos!

Can't be a semi auto - Mike Yardley rates 'em!

 

[Orion]

Franz is the man to watch with a Helix and some pigs - Helix marketing done and dusted with a 5 shot mag-on!

Looks as if the Merkel promotional budget may have dried up then - he's sporting a Sauer 404 in the latest Wild Boar Fever 7 video!

 

[Hereford]

Looks as if the Merkel promotional budget may have dried up then - he's sporting a Sauer 404 in the latest Wild Boar Fever 7 video!

I always said that Albrecht was a tackle-tart.....

 

[willie_gunn]

I always said that Albrecht was a tackle-tart.....

Though it would be a very brave person indeed who accused him of having "all the gear and no idea"

BTW, I was disappointed with Wild Boar Fever 7 and didn't think it matched up to the previous ones in the series.

 

[Hereford]

Though it would be a very brave person indeed who accused him of having "all the gear and no idea"

BTW, I was disappointed with Wild Boar Fever 7 and didn't think it matched up to the previous ones in the series.

Clearly the lack of the Helix....

 

[willie_gunn]

Clearly the lack of the Helix....

His shooting is certainly up to scratch - I doubt it would make any difference whichever rifle he uses.

It was more that this episode seems to spend a lot of time admiring the venue, the accommodation and the food, and less time on the actual hunting. Of course it is the first one that has been shot in France!

It's hard to say whether the ground is enclosed or not, but in the film it appears the beaters would try driving from one direction and then - when it doesn't work out - go past the high seat and try straight away from another direction. I came away with the idea that they can only do this because they are in a fenced area, but I may well be wrong.

I certainly don't feel that WBF7 has the "wow" factor of the older editions, but maybe that's just me getting WBF fatigue!

 

[Hereford]

I certainly don't feel that WBF7 has the "wow" factor of the older editions, but maybe that's just me getting WBF fatigue!

Being, as we are, mere mortals and not in Franz's league, it may be that you're just pig-sick Willie!

 

[EMcC]

I'm still cleaning my Maral from the muzzle without removing the Bolt !!

 

[Rob79]

Thanks all for your help. I have had an e-mail from a browning dealer saying they are happy to disassemble and clean it for me if required, but nothing definitively stating how I do it myself. I suspect the spring is the issue as some of you have pointed out. No major problem it only gets used annually for boar so ill pause on an expensive gunsmith strip for the moment, still it would be reassuring to be able to strip it all and look down the barrel at some point.

 

[Lateral]

The thumbhole system of the Blaser wont help for speed.
The Maral system ( as they say) is an evolution from the Bar system. A very reliable and tested action. Where allowed the BAR is about the best rifle you can buy. Accurate,low recoil, fast, .... no drawbacks.
A lot of BAR owners wont clean much. Most of them are peolpe wo don't think much about rifles, but just shoot them.

The Bar is VERY popular with the Spanish, and the Portuguese, but I have to say in my experience, the combination of the "Mediterranean" (best description I could think of !) attitude towards shooting game, and a semi auto rifle, or semi auto shotgun, with extended tubes, shooting 1oz slugs, make for a heck of a mess.

An average "shot to kill" ratio of 5>6 seems to be common, and when you see the animals laid out, you can see why. It's a sad sight !

But human nature is a strange thing. One of my Portuguese friends has been struggling for a while, and even when he does see something, he's been missing. So he's now decided that his Browning bar, mounted with a Zeiss scope, isn't up to the job, and wants a Helix, and the same Swarovski scope I have, because I've been some what lucky recently !

I told him that he had great kit, but suggested he checked zero, because he'd already asked me to tighten his scope mounts that were literally flapping about, but I couldn't make him understand how far out the zero could now be, and it's been suggested on several occasions


Very different attitude over there.

 

[Lateral]

I counted the Maral shooter as having got off four shots to the Helix three and the Blaser (thumbhole stock) 2. That's not to say that operator skill doesn't come in to it and also that those four shots may all have been misses as opposed to two good hits from the Blaser. That's the trouble with videos they don't show everything and can distort perceptions easily if edited in a certain way.

Just had another look, and you're absolutely right. It would be interesting to of had the Maral, & helix guys swap, and see what happened. The Blaser guy was just a little slow on target acquisition, or the other two were just going for shot count. Be good to know if they also hit the target.

 

[Rob79]

bump - still interested if anyone can tell me how to properly disassemble my browning maral to give it a proper clean

thanks

 

[dully1963]

you have PM hope it helps
ATB
Andy (dully1963)