The cammo must be more effective on those then.....
Camo or No?
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White Spider
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Have you got a link to these videos?
Bo Diddley
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What's your YouTube channel name JG?
Not quite right, deer see in various shades of green and have a far better depth of field than us that is why they can appear to be feeding and only look up now and again. You try and stalk closer while they are browsing and away thy run as they have clocked you have got closer.
Yes.. I call it the that is far enough distance, foxes are a prime example as they will sit up and watch you work you way into them and then next time you look it has gone. The trick is to balance out the distance and take the shot on.
I have worked out say a settled Fallow at 200 is far better to take on than one bouncing around as it has clocked you and ready to run, as then the run switch is all ready to flip.
The drive home with one in the wagon is much better than the "failed badge" as you wanted to get 50 more yds.
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John Gryphon
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Yes I have see below
My videos are all set as unlisted. I don`t seek the look at me youtuber fashion of having 10 minutes of dross talking to a camera for only 30 seconds of reality.
I have actually posted many of my videos on the SD for what has been basically no interest with anyone engaging so i pulled the pin on uploading them. There are however some keen SD members that have seen 99% of my videos. Three of those members have travelled to here and hunted with me in Australia.
Here`s a quick video of 20 seconds of the worlds premier antlered game below.
RescueMe0007
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John Gryphon
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The OP was re camo and its efficacy on camo rifles. I can say that a cammed rifle is of no value unless the hunter is cammed and the same for the hunter that is cammed up and has a shiny SS rifle barrel reflecting the light to everything around him/her.A pity I was not aware of your channel, I would definitely have subscribed.
Video below is of poor visual quality but it is actually one of my favourites as I was mere yards,less than a dozen from a trophy stag that was attending to a hind on heat. He has two spikeys, possibly three that he is 'stomping' at in warning them off. You do not get to see these animals as close as this in their own wild environment wearing as per posted below.
I was standing behind a tripod on a game trail (his) that ran through high blackberry bushes and the stag came around the screen in this video and studied me as close as seven yards. He looked at me as if I was an intruder then decided I was 'part of the bush furniture' . If he didn`t have the hind to keep his eyes on I don`t know wtf he would have done. I had a brand new **** box camera that I was unfamiliar with and had no means of trying to find the manual focus without alerting the deer. Another spikey came to five yards of me from my left then got a whiff...it was all over Rover in an instant lol.
It can be quite a laugh when the anti camo experts (that don`t use camo) proclaim and attest to "this and that" and quite often they only shoot from a seat anyway.
Wearing good camo will get you far closer in a stalk into wild deer than not wearing it.
There is no effing 'tacticool' in it for me btw its for business.
I agree with each to their own choice and if the foot stalking hunter today doesn't cam up then they are actually missing many opportunities of getting closer and getting closer means better accuracy. There is no argument in that.
Not quite right either.
They’re effectively red-green colour blind. So can discriminate between blue and reds/greens. Hence blue does stand out for them.
And I think you mean breadth, not depth of field. They see much more widely around them, with a much smaller blind spot than us. However, that does come at a cost: their depth of field is poor - ie. the zone over which they have maximum focus is narrow. So their ability to pick up small detail is much poorer than ours, while they’re more sensitive to movement.
How many fallow do you have around your ground as they are sharp I have been busted 350 yds as gap in the hedge left me with no choice but to cross so they went heads up and gone.
Waited until the last 20mins of light and got one as they came out.
Muntjac are sharp also and nip in with the slight of a problem
John Gryphon
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Yes that is true however Sambar having evolved in the land of the tiger,( that uses camo and stealth to launch its attacks) have an eye sight that evolved for close in defence that will pick out some incredibly small detail and be either on full alert or gone. Their distance vision wont compare to Fallow. A logo on a hat or hunt jacket for instance will catch their attention and they stare at it and the hunter has to suck it in and be prepared to stand for a long time if he/she doesn't want the shot lol. The slightest movement will catch their eye.
There are plenty here in Aus that dont know that the logo is a no go.
I’m well aware of how good fallow (and even more so sika) are at picking things up. What you describe (crossing a gap) is exactly what they’re extremely good at.
What they’re much less good at is picking up a motionless or slow moving person against a visually complex background.
I’ve climbed over a wall and two fences in full view of a fallow herd. But with scrub and trees behind. They didn’t move. I’m sure you’ve done similar many times. Try the same with sky or bare fields behind, and they’re gone.
The bare biology is well established: we are much better at fine detail and colour resolution than them. We are much worse at all around vision and detecting movement. We can spot a person lying motionless in heather much more easily than them. They can spot a person crossing a gap somewhere half behind their left ear when we just can’t.
So my solution is shoot late as the facts in the last 8 fallow 7 were in the last 20 mins of light so I void the camo debate by standing still (in the middle of a open field) using the lack of light also the wind. It is no different to cutting a fox off as it is taking fallow following the lead doe. People seem to want to make things complicated when in fact it not, the more complex the plan the more to go wrong. The last fallow I shot on this new ground we sat for 45 mins tucked out the way until one was in range, up on the sticks less than 6 seconds it was falling over.
It works the farmer is over the moon so hurry up August lol
timbrayford
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I see, it must have been the camouflage cap that I was wearing that made all the difference!
Overlay
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Hi Tim
I’ve got two camo coats first one is a original swanny I use exclusively for wildfowling good pattern for that, but the reason I got it, it’s just a bloody real good fowling coat and out on the marsh or mud it takes what you throw at it and is warm and dry and a tough bit of kit an ordinary green coat would be the same colour in minutes anyway after you’ve stopped floundering about in the mud, the other a light weight coat of many pockets for warmer days pigeon shooting, Keeps the sun off me and Fits the bill perfectly. I use long sleeve camo t shirts as a under garment with a light weight gilet perfect for summer stalking
Any other time green or brown anything I put my hand on or specifically whatever is in the car
I had a job to remove muntjac from a huge industrial area for quite a few visits HSAW demanded hi viz coat, hard hat and shooting glasses
It didn’t make one bit of difference to the deers behaviour I’m pretty sure they don’t perceive colour as the threat, put a step wrong and cock it up, and they are gone as normal
I’ve always had the thought camo is for humans and not animals, I would think everyone has owned a ex army camo coat at one stage or another in their shooting life, for its many pockets perfect for rabbiting etc
Getting your technique or field craft right blending in with the wind, cover etc is by far the best camo required to have a successful stalk
High seats best camo ever, no scent, up high, but still be in stealth mode on movement and not clattering around like 2 pebbles in a tin can,
Cheers
Phil
White Spider
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Thanks, I'm still learning so I was hoping I could learn a little more from watching 2,000 videos!
John Gryphon
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Brown nose a bit and I may offer you a slot here. I have offered to many others, only the blokes that understand hunting big deer in bush have taken it up.
It holds no attraction for stubble field and paddock shooters.
Bo Diddley
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John Gryphon
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Lovin' It John 
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Start writin' the book...
I have already.
45 years ago I hunted with a bloke that knew far more than I ever did and he said to me one day "johnny you just dont stop asking fuucking questions" as if it was annoying him.
I retorted " hey you are the fuucking Prof of deer,who better to ask"
He smiled really smugly ha ha.
Moral of the story is "listen"
.Start writin' the book...
I have already.
45 years ago I hunted with a bloke that knew far more than I ever did and he said to me one day "johnny you just dont stop asking fuucking questions" as if it was annoying him.
I retorted " hey you are the fuucking Prof of deer,who better to ask"
He smiled really smugly ha ha.
Moral of the story is "listen"
