8x57
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Doh!
Brainfart is my excuse I got it arse backwards again. The trouble is that I always think of it as the bits that are physically linked as being united.
Components to NI .
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Brainfart is my excuse I got it arse backwards again. The trouble is that I always think of it as the bits that are physically linked as being united.
8x57
Distinguished Member
Do you still have the European Firearms Pass?
MTheaded but happy
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From PSNI Firearms,
Well ..
Well ..
Sounds like nonsense to me. The person sending the email likely has no idea what they’re talking about.
It could be a kickback to the bad old days when guns were smuggled around disassembled in parts. It was then I remember a big no no to have a part of a short or a long. Whether this rule/ legislation is still in place I no not.
I looked back and in fact these were bullets, not cases All during January 2022. With ANY bureaucracy you need to be precise and focused down on what you ask and give helpful further information of the nature of the item so the person receiving the question can understand EXACTLY what is the particular and nature of the item(s) in question.
General requests get general replies. Perhaps the OP could follow up apologising if their initial enquiry was in too vague terms? Maybe even attaching a picture or link to what the actual item being talked about is?
Especially where a trigger might be just as on the Browning O/U of recent make where different shape triggers are svailable rather than say a whole drop in trigger UNIT with springs, hammers and all that? Such that such could to be on a stolen gun with that feature where such an assembly is often detached and stored separately as a security measure?
Anyway here what I wrote back in January 2022 about bullets;
Sent:
Dear PSNI Firearms Licensing,
A person resident in Northern Ireland has contacted me asking to buy some loose bullets for reloading at home for sporting rifle ammunition that I am selling.
In Great Britain as these are not live or loaded ammunition but simply loose inert bullets for reloading for a sporting rifle (called by some bullet heads) there are no controls on their sale or possession and these may be purchased without the buyer holding either a Firearms Certificate of any other licence.
I know that the Fireams (NI) Order 2004 may be different from the law in Great Britain and therefore ask, please, if it is lawful for me to do as here and simply accept the buyer's payment and then send these bullets to him in Northern Ireland?
Please advise:
INITIAL REPLY 17 Jan 2022
I‘ve forwarded the query below to the Senior firearms licensing managers for a response.
Regards
Firearms and Explosives Branch
SUBSEQUENT (FINAL) REPLY 2O Jan 2022
Thank you for contacting Firearms Licensing Branch.
As bullet heads and empty cases are effectively pieces of metal and are not component parts in Northern Ireland then there are no restrictions regarding their purchase.
Regards
Firearms & Explosives branch
Police Service of Northern Ireland
General requests get general replies. Perhaps the OP could follow up apologising if their initial enquiry was in too vague terms? Maybe even attaching a picture or link to what the actual item being talked about is?
Especially where a trigger might be just as on the Browning O/U of recent make where different shape triggers are svailable rather than say a whole drop in trigger UNIT with springs, hammers and all that? Such that such could to be on a stolen gun with that feature where such an assembly is often detached and stored separately as a security measure?
Anyway here what I wrote back in January 2022 about bullets;
Sent:
Dear PSNI Firearms Licensing,
A person resident in Northern Ireland has contacted me asking to buy some loose bullets for reloading at home for sporting rifle ammunition that I am selling.
In Great Britain as these are not live or loaded ammunition but simply loose inert bullets for reloading for a sporting rifle (called by some bullet heads) there are no controls on their sale or possession and these may be purchased without the buyer holding either a Firearms Certificate of any other licence.
I know that the Fireams (NI) Order 2004 may be different from the law in Great Britain and therefore ask, please, if it is lawful for me to do as here and simply accept the buyer's payment and then send these bullets to him in Northern Ireland?
Please advise:
INITIAL REPLY 17 Jan 2022
I‘ve forwarded the query below to the Senior firearms licensing managers for a response.
Regards
Firearms and Explosives Branch
SUBSEQUENT (FINAL) REPLY 2O Jan 2022
Thank you for contacting Firearms Licensing Branch.
As bullet heads and empty cases are effectively pieces of metal and are not component parts in Northern Ireland then there are no restrictions regarding their purchase.
Regards
Firearms & Explosives branch
Police Service of Northern Ireland
Yupp sure do
Agree. Total nonsense, doesn't even mention the part in question.
Heym SR20
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UK refers to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Prior to Eire gaining independence it was United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
The Union Jack comprises the flags of England, Scotland and Ireland, ie the crosses of St George, St Andrew and St Patrick.
GB refers to the Island of Great Britain which comprises England, Wales and Scotland.
The came into being in the early 1600’s with union of Scottish and English Crowns.
Ireland was a separate Kingdom, but with the UK Monarch being head of state. The realms were merged in the early 1800’s, and cross of St Patrick added to the union jack.
Northern Ireland has a special relationship with the EU allowing free and easy movement of goods. I remember Rishi Sunsk announcing that it had the best possible deal, still having free trade with the EU whilst also being part of the UK.
Quite why the rest of the UK cannot have a similar trading relationship with the EU and access to European Firearms Pass (which is not an EU thing in any case) is lost on me.
The Union Jack comprises the flags of England, Scotland and Ireland, ie the crosses of St George, St Andrew and St Patrick.
GB refers to the Island of Great Britain which comprises England, Wales and Scotland.
The came into being in the early 1600’s with union of Scottish and English Crowns.
Ireland was a separate Kingdom, but with the UK Monarch being head of state. The realms were merged in the early 1800’s, and cross of St Patrick added to the union jack.
Northern Ireland has a special relationship with the EU allowing free and easy movement of goods. I remember Rishi Sunsk announcing that it had the best possible deal, still having free trade with the EU whilst also being part of the UK.
Quite why the rest of the UK cannot have a similar trading relationship with the EU and access to European Firearms Pass (which is not an EU thing in any case) is lost on me.
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MTheaded but happy
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The reply you received is worthless and does not answer your questions. The component parts of firearms in NI is the same as GB with the exception of magazines which remain as component parts under the Firearms Order NI. This remains the case because officials cannot be bothered to amend the order and bring it into line with the GB Act.
There was an attempt a couple of years ago by a new head of licensing to enforce the magazine issue and put them on certificates, this was withdrawn after an outcry from shooters and organisations as it has never been enforced. There is no issue purchasing magazines for a firearm you have and they are not recorded by firearms licensing.
With regards to the trigger it is not a component part and can be purchased without issue. I would re send the email and ask for a senior licensing officer to respond specifically to the questions asked. It is no wonder that firearms licensing is in such a mess.
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I hope this isn't all "pot half empty" pessimism. But I think that's the reason why you may have had a problem? A person responding with a quasi-military or paramilitary background (which the old RUC that became the PSNI could be argued to have) might see a trigger unit as being the complete "gubbins" springs, hammer, sears, trips and etc. and fear that it was wanted to complete a "bits" project involving something not at all like what you are wanting to discuss.
So, yes, I can see their side of the enquiry even though the thing itself, as on this Browning just a single bit of mateal, or Beretta just a collection of bits of metal. But they may be thinking AR15? So yes here in Great Britain not, per se, subject to control. As without specifying the exact make and model of firearms an imaginative mind could be concerned that this was a trigger unit for an altogether different thing to what you are asking about.
As for better or worse the de-activation specification on most all firearms now involves destruction or despoilement of the de-activated items trigger unit. Without further information the person answering you enquiry may have that to mind. I think a fuller follow up might get a different answer?
This may help you?
| 4.6 | Trigger mechanism: Ensure destruction of the physical operating link between the trigger blade and the hammer, striker or sear. Fuse the trigger mechanism together with weld within receiver/frame, where applicable. If such fusion of the trigger mechanism is not possible, remove the trigger mechanism and fill the area with weld or epoxy resin. | As long as the physical link to the firing mechanism is destroyed, it is acceptable for the trigger blade and any external hammer be left free to move. However, they must be independent of each other and not linked in any way. |
Browning trigger change - just a trigger
Beretta - a unit that drops in and out
AR15 - what might cause concern to PSNI
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SikaSeeker
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Ireland has postcodes(eircodes).
SikaSeeker
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You said prior to gaining independence. Or what you really mean is getting back what was rightfully ours?
They are civilian staff, civil servants.
Foxyboy43
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Foxyboy43
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I suspect that there are a few scots and even some welsh who might have a view moderately different from you old thing….
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