Concealment of gun safe

[BlueJuice]

Well im wanting to stick my gunsafe in my office which is a downstairs room. It really seems like the only sensible option in my house and theres the addition of the room being locked when im not in it.

However theres a window into the back garden and where im thinking of putting the gun safe it'll be partially visible from certain angles if some was peering in from the back of the house. I take it this wont fly with the FEO?

Considering how i can conceal it currently, and the loose plan is to get hold of or some sort of narrow single wardrobe in the corner of the room and mounting the safe inside bolted into the wall behind. However these are often much deeper than required so was thinking maybe some sort of second hand metal cabinet would work. Basically ive found one thats the perfect size, the only issue is it basically looks exactly like a gun safe!



Do you think the FEO would get a sad on about a gun safe being concealed inside something that could in itself be mistaken for a gun safe?

 

[Mike L]

Just put a stationary or files sign on the door

 

[VSS]

A piece of wooden furniture, or even a curtain across a corner, would do. I've even seen a strategically placed row of coat hooks on the wall, such that the hanging garments cover the cabinet.
Can't see much benefit in disguising a gun cabinet as a gun cabinet...

 

[Scotty99]

You need to make sure the cabinet is attached securely (at least by 10mm sleeve bolts) to an outside wall. As for visibility just get a pull down blind for the window and pull it down when you’re not in the office. Don’t overthink it.

 

[Pedro]

Some blinds on the window, angled to let light in but not a view of the cabinet would be good.

 

[Moose67]

how about some solar film on the window too - acts like a one way mirror in the daytime
something like this - link

 

[Rake Aboot]

You’re required to make reasonable efforts to secure the guns
If it’s near a window so be it .

Not sure I’d worry about it tbh just tell the feo that’s where the cabinet is staying .

 

[BlueJuice]

You need to make sure the cabinet is attached securely (at least by 10mm sleeve bolts) to an outside wall. As for visibility just get a pull down blind for the window and pull it down when you’re not in the office. Don’t overthink it.

Some blinds on the window, angled to let light in but not a view of the cabinet would be good.

I’ve got heavy blackout curtains up already, pulling one across 1/4 of the way would conceal it. I just assumed an FEO wouldn’t be particularly happy with that?

Maybe I should just send them a pic and see if they are happy. The FAC process is long enough already so just don’t want any snags at the interview stage

 

[sich1]

change the glass unit to 8.8 laminated glass, they aint coming through that.

 

[beebuzz]

Hi. I had a similar situation with the cabinet covered by a large blanket/curtain. The FEO asked for a window blind on the grounds that some one looking through the window (curtains partly closed) could see the other ‘gun stuff’ and assume there was a gun cabinet nearby. Seemed a reasonable and sensible request. Fitted the blind, sent confirmation photo- everyone happy.
Beebuzz

 

[Dickie]

You could put up a day night blind not easy to look through.
Aside from that a friend had a cabinet like the one pictured for many years then one renewal got told it wasn’t good enough and a new one was required.

 

[Radstorm]

Depending on your office decor an ikea cabinet or similar around it ? I put two cabinets inside (covered) by a secondhand oak wardrobe - no back to it and some fitting to the wonky wall at the time.

 

[martyn52]

I’d be more worried about your safe it will take about 10 seconds to get into with a crowbar.

 

[VSS]

I’d be more worried about your safe it will take about 10 seconds to get into with a crowbar.

I don't think that's his gun safe. I think that's the cabinet in which he's considering concealing the gun safe.

 

[Fabnosh]

I was thinking the same. Before getting bent out of shape over concealing it, I'd check it'll pass muster with your FEO.

FN

 

[timbrayford]

With all due respect discussing the form and location of your concealed gun cabinet on social media rather defeats the purpose of it.

 

[63]

Depending on your office decor an ikea cabinet or similar around it ? I put two cabinets inside (covered) by a secondhand oak wardrobe - no back to it and some fitting to the wonky wall at the time.

I have done similar in the past, not least because gun cabinets are bloody ugly!

 

[Apthorpe]

Curtains should be fine. You draw them when you go out in the same way you close and lock your front door. No justification at all for being difficult about curtains or blinds.

 

[Gloucestershire.2021]

You need to make sure the cabinet is attached securely (at least by 10mm sleeve bolts) to an outside wall. As for visibility just get a pull down blind for the window and pull it down when you’re not in the office. Don’t overthink it.

Your cabinet does not need to be secured to an outside wall. Suitable internal walls are also completely acceptable.

 

[enfieldspares]

However these are often much deeper than required so was thinking maybe some sort of second hand metal cabinet would work. Basically ive found one thats the perfect size, the only issue is it basically looks exactly like a gun cabinet.

I don't think what you've shown will pass approval for s1 or s2. OK here in England and Wales for air weapons. But s1 or s2? I am unsure. It doesn't have to be BS Certified but if not must comply to what is in b) below.

Cabinets​

7.1 Cabinets which may be considered to be suitable for the security of firearms, shotguns and ammunition should be expected to provide the resistance equal to:

a) a cabinet manufactured and fitted as certified to comply with BS7558:1992; or

b) a cabinet fabricated to the following:

i. Sheet steel body of not less than 2mm (14swg), formed by either folding, continuous welding or a combination of these methods;

• when fabricating the body, the door case should be constructed to provide a continuous rest plate the length of the opening edge to prevent attack on the lockbolts by inserting a hacksaw blade;
• the door frame may be formed by return bending of the body steel or the provision of a bar or angle frame, welded to the carcass with sufficient relief to the edges to provide for door locking and hanging. The frame should be designed so that the door, when closed, can resist attempts to force it inwards.
• doors should be formed from the same material with either bent, folded or post formed edges, or the provision of a bracing frame of bar or angled steel, or ribs welded to the inside of the door to prevent the flexing or bending of the door when closed;
• hinges internally fitted;
• hinges externally fitted, with either hinge bolts, anti-bar plates or interlocking formed door edge, along the hanging side of the door;
• swivel bars or rods with return fold anti-bar plate. The frame should be fabricated to prevent, so far as possible, the insertion of tools to cut the pins; or
• for slot in type doors, not less than 2 steel pins of 12mm diameter or full width welded steel foot plate not less than door thickness.