As I said in the post, different people will have different ideas about what velocity they are effective at. My personal findings are around the 2400 fps mark. I know some of the kiwis are saying 2450 to 2600, I know a few on this site that agree the 2400 number. I wouldn't trust the information that Barnes publish, they are trying to sell you bullets.I am surprised by your findings of failure below 2400fps. The same gel tests used for lead core bullets indicate sufficient expansion and energy delivered well below that. Peregrine claim 1600fps for instance...but the consensus of anecdotal reports on the internet that I have seen put the Barnes at around 2,000. Could you expand on your 2,400fps findings a bit?
I understood that the main advantage and the reasoning behind the relatively light for calibre lead free bullets is the terminal energy derived from being able to accelerate/propel them at higher velocity...it is more efficient to deliver energy by velocity than mass?
"The kinetic energy of a moving object is directly proportional to its mass and directly proportional to the square of its velocity. This means that an object with twice the mass and equal speed will have twice the kinetic energy, while an object with equal mass and twice the speed will have quadruple the kinetic energy"
The design of the bullet...the size of the hollow point and / or dum dum style splitting of the Nielsen type will have more of an effect on the minimum velocity required for expansion, but the energy will obviously be delivered in different ways...over a wider area...if the bullets are designed to fragment.
Alan
The reasoning behind light for calibre monolithic bullets is 1. if they are not light for calibre they are too long to stabilise in most standard twist rifles - look at scrumbags post above, two 90gr bullets and the E-Tip is 109 thou longer than the lead. A quick calculation and the stability factor in a 243Win 10 twist barrel is 1.02 - it will not stabilise. 2. They will not reliably expand below a certain velocity ( I'm saying 2400 fps) so they have to be light so you can drive them quickly.
I'm not sure about the Neilson bullets breaking up either. The petals don't worry me but the very aerodynamic shaft thats left exiting at who knows what speed and angle does. It will certainly kill the deer quicker but what other potential problems are you letting yourself in for?
You're quite right. For normal stalking ranges of sub 200 yds, providing you do go light for calibre bullets the monolithics can all do a good job. My interest was in whether they can be made to work for those who stretch those "normal" ranges a bit. I would think the likes of @dodgyknees and his kiwi mates are all dreading a lead ban as at the moment their type of hunting couldn't happen.