Corbyn gun control

[Roro]

Just been watching Comrade Corbyn on the news, telling a cheering conference hall how he will sort everything out in the uk. He has all the answers it appears, but whats his position on civilian gun ownership ? Him being extreme left, i cannot imagine he would be a fan of gun ownership and shooting sports.

 

[stubear]

He's a Marxist and frankly I don't want to live I Venezuela... I'm really hoping he disappears into obscurity as the damage he could do to this country and the freedoms we currently enjoy could be insurmountable.

 

[hammo]

Hard to believe ANYONE takes him seriously, yet evidently they do!!
The number of times I have seen old photos of him snuggling up to known, and at the time, active terrorist a$$$$les beggars belief.
To me he seems a crackpot tramp, but others - most worrying being my 20+ year old son, see him as a victim of a government smear campaign. After all, who in their right mind would allow a terrorist sympathiser to be an MP??
hammo

 

[enfieldspares]

I am sure that most politicians have, at some time, cosied up to former terrorists and/or war criminals and assorted tyrants. Our own Queen more, probably, that anyone else in the UK. Poor woman. And as a constitutional head of state no free choice in the matter. Hirohito of Japan, the Roumanian bloke, the late McGuinness, maybe even Menachem Begin (or at least Callaghan and Thatcher met him) and Nelson Mandela. President Mitterand of France who ordered the bombing of the Rainbow Warrior ship. Corbyn at least has done so openly as far as we know.

 

[Pedro]

Corbyn is enjoying the light that burns brightly just before it burns out. His radical views will never get him into No. 10. We worry that the Conservatives get a bit too radical (in the other direction) when they have too big a majority. But Corbyn is ultra radical when he only has an outside chance of getting into government. What he would do with a big majority is frightening to think of, but I believe not hardly likely.

And let's look at his team. His Shadow Chancellor is making plans for when there's a run on the pound should they get into power. Surely he should be making plans so that there isn't a run on the pound. And look at his Shadow Home Secretary, who wants to introduce rules in some constituencies that will only allow black candidates to stand for parliament. Hopefully she is taking night classes in maths.

Corbyn has had his day, at the last election when he was on top of his game and he couldn't win then. They lost by a lot less than last time and it's significant that he thought that was success and the Conservatives thought being returned to government was a failure. Who is Corbyn kidding? Himself (and lots of young people).

 

[Essexsussex]

Corbyn is enjoying the light that burns brightly just before it burns out. His radical views will never get him into No. 10. We worry that the Conservatives get a bit too radical (in the other direction) when they have too big a majority. But Corbyn is ultra radical when he only has an outside chance of getting into government. What he would do with a big majority is frightening to think of, but I believe not hardly likely.

And let's look at his team. His Shadow Chancellor is making plans for when there's a run on the pound should they get into power. Surely he should be making plans so that there isn't a run on the pound. And look at his Shadow Home Secretary, who wants to introduce rules in some constituencies that will only allow black candidates to stand for parliament. Hopefully she is taking night classes in maths.

Corbyn has had his day, at the last election when he was on top of his game and he couldn't win then. They lost by a lot less than last time and it's significant that he thought that was success and the Conservatives thought being returned to government was a failure. Who is Corbyn kidding? Himself (and lots of young people).

I'd love to agree with you - and I do on the matters of competence - but if recent history has told us anything we must not write off what appears to reasonable people as an outside runner. There has been such little political debate or activism in this country until recently I think it is forgotten how quickly a campaign run by a random that a few noisy people buy into can gain momentum. In a way I think this is even easier than ever before as many voters are a blank canvas and easily moved one way or another, and many have not experienced a serious recession in their voting life (considering 2007, whilst very serious for those effected by it, to be more of a blip compared to the deeper problems of before).

Let us (or those who have a dim view of him) at least treat him with enough caution to mobilise as many votes against him as possible and make sure there aren't any nasty surprises.

 

[kes]

I tend to think the media is far less critical than they could be - obviously the man is a fruitcake but like all leftist politicians is controlling and manipulative. McDonough is truly dangerous, power-hungry and to my mind rather 'off the rails' type who should be in care and not in politics, although the two are similar.
I'm old enough to have seen a more understanding political past, less hysterical.
What will finish Mr Corbyn? I believe a full exposure of his past and his affairs etc.
However, I wont ever be subject to his ramblings, should the deranged elect this madman - I would leave first and leave others to put out the lights.

 

[Rasputin]

Blokes grade a tw@. As he is a militant Marxist you can bet your house on the fact shooting will suffer under his class warefare as it’s the perceived murdeous hobby of only the elites. Just listening to the drivel him and his cronies are spouting at their jamboree makes you realise how utterly ridiculous and idealistic they are. The sheer sums of what they are proposing are mind blowing.

Sadly his stock is likely to rise because the youth are growing in numbers and those of us older and living in the real world are dying off.

If if labour got in we would be out of favour and in deep deep sht.

 

[User00035]

Corbyn loves guns, as long as they're in the hands of terrorists, I mean freedom fighters, or the state police. (We won't need an army. The military are right-wing reactionaries and Chairman Jez will abolish war).

 

[SimpleSimon]

Sadly his stock is likely to rise because the youth are growing in numbers and those of us older and living in the real world are dying off.

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I agree to an extent, but I think the generation of fresh new voters will eventually come around to the real world after they've had to live in it for a while. At one time I may have been naive enough to believe in Corbyn's promises and his seemingly-utopian ideology. But I've been a grown up for long enough now to see that it's far from reality.

 

[JTO]

McDoughnut says they will not pay market price when they nationalise the railways and utility companies, and who are the biggest shareholders? YOUR pension funds perhaps!!

 

[Rasputin]

I agree to an extent, but I think the generation of fresh new voters will eventually come around to the real world after they've had to live in it for a while. At one time I may have been naive enough to believe in Corbyn's promises and his seemingly-utopian ideology. But I've been a grown up for long enough now to see that it's far from reality.

One of the few things in life we can be certain with is that the quicker your stock rises the quicker it falls and if he gets in power and the country collapses he will soon find himself out of favour again whilst simultaneously bankrupting the country. Will be socio/economic chaos.

 

[JockStalk]

My view of Corbyn is that he is leading a movement.

Be very wary of movements and there ability to engage the masses with little more than rhetoric - the SNP were and remain the same.

 

[Apthorpe]

The problem with Labour is not just that Corbyn and McDonnell's policies are so bad, but that both of them are so deeply inured with personal conviction (i.e. delusion, stupidity and stubbornness) and the party poisoned with some deeply alarming vicious and violent tendencies, that it's virtually impossible to imagine them rowing back on any measures once they had turned out to be as catastrophic as they obviously are.
Labour actually explicitly wants that bad news - devaluation of assets, unemployment, uncompetitiveness, value destruction, the elimination of most professional businesses and so on.

As for not paying market rate for nationalising utilities, they will face serious legal difficulties with that - especially given Labour's firm promise of our continued membership of a single market that explicitly makes such activities illegal.

 

[Tom D]

As crazy as he is, he could win. People get fed up with the same thing and he represents change, crazy and potentially disastrous change, but change non the less.
Its hard not to look at politics through the prism of your own experience and intellect, but you need to remember that most people aren't like you. One of my favourite Churchill quotes is 'The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter'.........

So picture some one of average intellect and now remember that 50% of the population are thicker than him!

 

[User00025]

Some wonderful promises doth Mr C make, and as an ancient I think my last few years might be better under his tender care. BUT the snidy Btard was big buddies with the two men I hated most in the world. One is dead and the other would be if I had, had my way , so Mr C you have as much chance of me voting labour as me trying to run a Bacon bap stall on the steps of a mosque or synagogue.

 

[kes]

Some wonderful promises doth Mr C make, and as an ancient I think my last few years might be better under his tender care. BUT the snidy Btard was big buddies with the two men I hated most in the world. One is dead and the other would be if I had, had my way , so Mr C you have as much chance of me voting labour as me trying to run a Bacon bap stall on the steps of a mosque or synagogue.

What you are saying sounds infinitely more intriguing and interesting than JC ever was or ever will be.

 

[enfieldspares]

McDoughnut says they will not pay market price when they nationalise the railways and utility companies...

Whilst we remain in the EU and subject to the ECJ he can't....not the utility companies. He has to pay full market price. One we "take back control"...oh yes..he absolutely can. On the railways he doesn't have to. When the franchise period runs out they just take them back in house. And there's many believe that they should be so re-acquired.

This is why Corbyn is against the EU and therefore originally anti-EU and in the recent Referendum a "silent" Brexiteer. Whilst we are in the EU no Government can nationalise anything (or as it actually is confiscate private property) without adequate compensation. This is the position that has developed through the ECJ that Theresa May so dislikes.

So the real reason for wanting to remain in the EU should actually be about it's being a check on an authoritarian UK Governmenet (of either the Labour or Tory versions) and such things as nationalisation and/or furher gun confiscations.

It is why in 1988 with the self-loading rifle ban no compenation was, effectively, paid but was in the 1996 handgun ban. It's why there cannot be another Vosper type nationalisation as by Labour in 1970.


When the UK Courts held that it was entirely lawful for a UK Governmnent to decide, itself, the level of compensation it would pay when nationalising a company even if that figure were derisory. As this, f course, was before we joined the EEC and long, long all pre-EU and pre-ECJ

And why the Burmah Oil Case of 1944, and the War Damages Reparations Act 1965 isn't now the last stop on the bus in law in the UK. And why Burmah Oil was raised in the recent Brexit Case in the Supreme Court in the UK.

[FONT=&amp]It is telling that the Government invoked the royal prerogative to justify its claim to sidestep Parliament in relation to Article 50. As Lord Reid put in 1965: ‘The prerogative is really a relic of a past age, not lost by disuse but only available for a case not covered by Statute.’ ([/FONT]Burmah Oil[FONT=&amp] (1965 AC 75 at 101)[/FONT][FONT=&amp]The human rights implications of leaving the EU are profound, particularly in relation to the right to equality, a fundamental right in EU law.

The Court acknowledged that a key right which will inevitably be lost will be the ability to refer to the CJEU in case of breach of such rights. With neither a justiciable bill of rights, nor the binding nature of EU rights, Parliament remains the last custodian of human rights in the UK. [/FONT]

It is worth reading the Brexit Case and see that what is coming back to the UK when we leave the ECJ isn't about less rights for citizens but about those rights being subject to the whim of a UK Government unchecked. The "contl'being taken back isn't for our direct benefit it is for the benefit of a future dictatorial UK Government that would wish to nationalise, confiscate, abolish fully any right to silence and etc.

https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2016-0196-judgment.pdf

 

[Apthorpe]

My analysis of Corbyn's appeal is that he has four areas of strong support:
1. for 6 million public sector employees he represents a bonanza - as Labour governments always do. Also very strong support from an academic establishment that has been very strongly politically cleansed of non-left wing elements.
2. there is a significant degree of "tribal" Labour support, from people who elect a cabbage as a Labour PM - although of course Tories can't complain on that front while May and coterie remain in office.
3. his appeal to young people is not that young people are especially moronic (although of course he has cornered the cretin vote) but that firstly young people absorb much of their worldview from media that are distorting - social media, guardian, other conspiracy theories etc.. These media peddle a lot of quite perniciously and demonstrably false or unbalanced narratives. Secondly, most young people don't own any assets so destroying the value of assets is not a concern, they don't understand what value is, have almost zero financial education and consequently don't understand why Labour's economic policies are wrong.
4. a racist, anarchist, violent and communist rabble otherwise known as Momentum

I was horrified to find that a highly intelligent acquaintance proudly voted for Corbyn - by intelligent I mean PhD from oxford and married to a politics professor.
We also need to remember two further points:
1. that the brain of the Tory party has been evacuated from the centre of power. Essentially, no intelligence or experience is permitted anywhere near the policy making machine, which has been spending far too long ignoring conservatism, free market politics, libertarianism etc. in favour of chasing Labour votes with incoherent left of centre policies. This means that nobody sensible can see objectively any good, positive reason to vote Tory. The success of Corbyn is largely a reflection of the intellectual failures of recent Tory PMs and organisational failure of the party.
2. I believe some of this is the backlash over the disastrous way the crash was handled. It was obvious to me at the time that bailing out the banks was a disastrously stupid idea which is almost bound to lead to socialism. It would have been far better to have distributed the bailout sums into every personal bank account in the country - better morally, economically and politically. This would still have saved the banks. The results of the bailout - inflation of asset prices and house prices, protection of the undeserving and wealthiest, directly caused the current situation of extremist politics and apparently irrational voters.

 

[enfieldspares]

I was horrified to find that a highly intelligent acquaintance proudly voted for Corbyn - by intelligent I mean PhD from oxford and married to a politics professor.

You've answered that question, why, yourself Apthorpe!

Also very strong support from an academic establishment that has been very strongly politically cleansed of non-left wing elements.

For 6 million public sector employees he represents a bonanza - as Labour governments always do.