CWD Bucks

[Rangefinder]

Hi Doc

Sorry buddy but this borders on ridicule in my book:

Well if your willing to pay it there are them that will certainly take your cash ( fool and his money is easy parted in this case )

I still have all the quotes professional stalkers provided during the past 10 years or so and from memory a very well known stalker offering Sika quoted nearly a grand for a gold medal Sika stag back in the early 2000's. There is another thread on this site saying the FC and Peter Pursglove are expensive over at Cannock and I know the last time I stalked with the FC I was paying £175 pd. I also accept you pays yer money you takes your choice. Simple as that.


we all have a choice with our cash, but how you spend yours may affect other people.

Thats market forces. The price fluctuates because that is what the market will stand and I am sure nobody on this planet apart from my kids, grand kids and the missus give a stuff how I spend my money [as long as its legal ]

If we dont pay these sort of prices then maybe the price will come down, market forces etc.
If nobody payed 500 for a trophy CWD then they would be offered for less it doesnt cost that much to have them on your land
Cheers

Absolutely right were back to market forces and choice and it really is this simple, pay if you want; if not don't.

Max might have said in a future post before he got jumped on "Ok fella's I got a couple of bucks and £500 seems steep as I aint had a reply, perhaps someone would make me a sensible offer" sorry to put words in your mouth Max.

I would understand if he didn't after this tho'

ATB RF

 

[Max]

Rangefinder I like your style, you put your points across far better than I.

No I would not have said in the future that the CWD were cheaper because of no interest at £500.

That was a one time offer for someone else, not for my pocket.
As I said before I don't need to make my money from stalking, trophy or otherwise.
There are a lot of deer managers in this country who do need to make their money from trophy stalking as well as the annual cull.

It's a good job that a lot of European and American hunters want to come here because going by the attitudes shown on this post some UK deer managers would have a lean time relying on UK hunters.

I checked around about price on medal class CWD bucks and £500 was an average price.
For an animal that can only be legally hunted in the UK now, I considered that fair.

The majority of post here tell me I'm wrong in their opinion, fine, I couldn't care less. I have plenty of CWD on my patch and to keep numbers reasonable I cull 4 to 6 bucks each season, medal or otherwise + doe's if need be, I am indeed a very privileged and happy hunter .

BUT, nothing lasts forever and there is always a smiling assasin waiting to take it from you............ be warned .

I am also very lucky because I am under no pressure on any of my ground to achieve cull figures, just to keep a happy medium, not as easy for some out there im sure.

I don't have any problem with trophy hunting and am happy to pay the going rate, so long as I'm treated fairly and not run around for a couple of days looking for the animal just to push up the outing fee.

Those of you that don't agree with trophy hunting now, will never agree in the future and I do not intend to flog my fingers to death on this site to try and change your minds. I guess we will just have to beg to differ.

Someone will always get it cheaper and the person who gets it for nothing is just a greedy bastard. I guess thats me

Good luck to you all, and my sincere thanks to the few that stood in my corner.

Dripping tap comes to mind.!!!!!!!!! time to go

Max

 

[docholiday]

Take care Max and good luck I am envious of your position.

Doc

 

[Max]

You to Doc and who knows, if your ever in my area you might get a free chinky.................. and not a take away

Cheers

Max

 

[Davie]

For me its about the stalk and if i had my way the chinks and the munts would have never took a hold the DI should be given the job to rid us of these alien pests.

 

[Max]

Thats sad that you should feel that way 6.5, I find them both a challenge to stalk and happy they are two of our 6 species.
Mind you, if you cant cope with your mutjac im only too glad to help

Cheers

Max

 

[stone]

For me its about the stalk and if i had my way the chinks and the munts would have never took a hold the DI should be given the job to rid us of these alien pests.

6.5
totally off topic, and in the wrong section
this was thread was about offering a chance of a species of deer not readily available to all, the price was as it was,
but to start calling 2 of our very few species of quarry deer pests
well,
you've got me there
i thought you were educated, seems like i was mis-informed
a pest is only a pest to those who don't understand

i'm glad i am off to poland today, so i don't see or here anymore of this B@ll@cks for a while

sorry Max
for joining in on this thread, at this stage and this point
many apologies

 

[sniperkona]

£500 pest shooting
cheaper than a trip to poland though,
just playing,
its a forum though and thats what these things are for.

 

[sniperkona]

£500 pest shooting
cheaper than a trip to poland though,
just playing,
its a forum though and thats what these things are for
Airing opinions ect.
Happy hunting everyone

 

[Davie]

We bring in animals and set them free and then embrace them if we get good sport regardless of the consequence to native wild life . We have mink running wild grey squirrels etc .The deer to me are no different now sika are out breeding the native red deer in many places and mongrelising our own deer .Muntjac have become more common than roe deer our own native deer and are in places making it unsuitable habitat for the roe deer. Chinks have yet to hit the dizzy heights of the other i have mentioned bt they will do if they are not controlled properly or full exterminated. Any thing could happen they could eliminate the brown hare or other native stock who knows
But i know this with prices on there head of 500+ they will be well guarded just like the fallow and reds on some greedy estates (look at other threads )This has only had really bad consequences in the past present and will no doubt in the future .

 

[Max]

Hi Stone

No apology needed, glad you felt the need to put your two penneth in.

I think this post has run its course by now.

Good luck in Poland

Max

 

[TerryC]

Sorry guys i've also sat this one out but I think there is a bit of the green eyed devil here, I also stalk commercially and sell all my Bucks the reason being that I have to pay for the privilige of shooting on the areas that I have and with the farms "if it dont pay then it dont stay".
In the past I was given free stalking and also given the venison to pay me for doing it but those days especially in the South West of England are mostly long over.
People who state they would never sell their deer are either not in need of the cash or lacking in animals to sell but like everyone with a family to support I need the money and luckily I have the animals.
It is your choice which path to take in the last 7 years I have only shot 3 Roe Bucks myself these were either injured/or required by the estates out of a yearly cull of 40-50 Bucks, it makes no difference to the animal who it is shot by wether me or a paying client and to have the clients every year I must make sure that there are sufficient animals availible so I prevent over shooting of a precious resource.
Yes those who had free stalking and then lose it to the likes of myself are unhappy but my view is that they should have looked after it better one example was an estate of over 2000 acres I recently took over where the past stalker and his friends shot a large number of roe up to 60 animals a year and gave the owner £20 per animal for the venison which they also kept this chap also liked to mention how many medal Bucks he had personally shot there and how he would never pay for trophies, he is now out and both the estate and the deer are getting a better deal.
As mentioned by others you dont have to pay for trophies its a personal choice but please dont criticise others for doing what they are in their rights to do.

Regards Terry

 

[sikamalc]

Hear hear Terry.

I manage and run a lease of 8000 acres, this is not cheap, I sell my stags, although I gave some away this year to folk off this site, and the hinds are shared out between 6 other rifles who are friends of mine at a fee of £300 for the season. So I make no money out of them at all it covers the hind part of the lease, which I also pay into.

If you have plenty of FREE stalking you are very lucky, and please remember to take clients out you need a number of large areas, not 50 acres and a Roe walks across it once in a blue moon. That is cheating someone if you are charging them. On the other hand if you have 50 acres to yourself and its yours to stalk for free and you take 2 or 3 deer a year, well done take care of it.

 

[Davie]

Terry it is up to you how you conduct your business and it is also up to others to decided if the prices they here are to expensive . For me trophy hunting is a bonus on the ground if one fallis into the category of cull beast but it isn't often and my ground will only produce one or two medals a year.
With regards the other chaps paying the farmer landowner or estate manager a fee that is also between them . If they are both happy then were is the problem . But stepping in the back door of a good area because you over heard lads talking about medals is truly scummy and then to suggest your way was correct because it had a better financial return is plain foolish.
I shot a gold medal wild red stag now every one knows that the real ones not the ones loosed out of a pen are rarer than hens teeth the cost to me f all. Now this same chap was offered through me by a pro stalker for a medal stag 5000 notes he told the chap to ram it were the sun don't shine why because the cash is not what its about for some. He also new the chap would move in on the ground behind his back.
This ground s well looked after and well managed. but SOME ONE MIGHT COME IN THE BACK DOOR AND TRY AND PAY BIG MONEY WOULD THAT BE RIGHT I DONT THINCK SO. RE THINK YOUR HERE HERE SIKA MALC THERE ARE DEALERS IN ALL WALKS OF LIFE WHO WOULD RIP YOU OFF AND STEEL YOU MONEY LIFE OR WIFE AND NOW THEY WILL STEEL YOUR LAND.

 

[sikamalc]

As usual 6.5 x55 your post is inflamatory

Calm down dear, you will bust a blood vessel

Steal my wife, they can have her for free as long as they leave my rifles, dog, quad and my crewcab they are safe, try stealing those and you had better check your life insurance

 

[TerryC]

Well 6.5 I'm glad that you had the chance to shoot your stag and that you have the chance to take medal Bucks off your land, if you and the landowner are both happy good for you and in that case I wont be stealing it from you will I.
But be sure that if you are not being fair to the landowner then someone will make a better offer and that is your fault for not looking after what you have. As far as money goes I have also taken leases where I have paid less than the previous stalker because I look after the area and don't treat it like my own property and remember that I'm there by the goodwill of the owner and not doing him a favour.
This extends to making sure I consult them with what I'm doing, helping with work on the farms and nowdays most importantly making sure that the Doe cull is carried out whatever the weather and where I end up having to miss a lot of bird shooting because of it. This is why in the case I mentioned the owner came to me and offered me the stalking without me having to STEAL IT.
As was mentioned if you dont want to shoot medal animals or pay for the stalking good for you but dont criticise those who do through either choice or necessity.

Regards Terry

 

[TerryC]

Sorry 6.5 I didn't read your post very well, you assumed that I moved in after hearing about the animals being shot and that I'd gone behind peoples backs, those who know me and you are luckily not one of them know that is not my game.
As far as your pal turning down £5000 for a gold red deer he was quite right to do so as you can get more for them than that if you sell to the right market.
As you say Gold Reds in the UK as are very rare as are Gold wild Fallow Bucks mainly because unlike the continent where they are treasured for their trophy potential they are harvested here before their full potential is reached.
I hope this has helped you calm down a bit and would love to see either a picture or a write up with the CIC score of your animal as there are only a handful of big stags submitted every year.

Regards Terry

 

[Davie]

Terry your post read as i read it an suggested that because the lads had offed the farmer x amount of money they were cheating the farmer. I have known many farmers and they are not the type to be cheated. While you do it in a commercial manner lots of us don't and the return for the beast is not close to what a pro stalker can get. Or are you suggesting we all go to pro stalkers as we don't pay enough for our ground. It dose not bother me if any one wants to trophy hunt and i am intrigued by them my self knowing that the animals are reaching there full potential and that my management plans are doing what they should (my area is not good for medals ) For me the red deer was selected out of a group of three large stags he was the middle sized body wise and would in my opinion had given the bigger stag a real hard time during the rut. This said he had more points on his head than the rest and that is why IMHO he made a gold the other larger stag had only 16 points and had the typical divided tray tine of the Wilt shire Stags he was a certain gold.I cant remember the points he scored but it should be in the review this year.

 

[Amberdog]

Well ive watched this with some intrest and what a carry on!!!!!!! if the going rate for a medal roe,munti,or cwd is £500 notes then so be it.
I lease my ground and pay the going rate the market dictates i have no medal beasts due to the nature of the ground and one day i will save up and set about taking such beasts that will be my choice in the mean time id like to just get the opertunity of seeing a munti or cwd in the wild medal or not
I fully understand the lads with ground been worried if they have free or very cheap stalking when such values are banded around per beast but as others have said its all down to supply and demand and we all know money makes the world go round
I think this offer to site members by Max was very worthy
amberdog

 

[TerryC]

Good morning 6.5 I look forward to seeing your stag in the list when it is published and congratulations once again for obtaining such a trophy especially if as your post indicates it was from Wiltshire which is not that well known for reds myself having only seen a few trophy stags mostly around the New Forest in the last 30 years of stalking.
The ones in the Forest areas that I have control of are not shot at all as there is such a small population and they only tend to come to me after the rut and stay until August as do the big Fallow which means they are either run and out of condition or in velvet neither of which makes them shootable in my book.
I'm sure that you will agree that there is room for both types of stalking both private and commercial as long as both are ethically done and benefit both the enviroment and the deer.
And the last thing I would want is for all stalking to be done commercially
because if it was I'm sure there would be a goverment agency put in place to run it and even more regulation than we have now.

Regards Terry