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[Richiepolecat]

Hi,
Why are they so expensive to stalk? Is it because they are so different to our other species of deer?

Thanks

Rich

 

[Emdoc]

Because people are daft enough to pay stupid money to shoot them that's the only reason.

Supply and demand.

 

[flytie]

Because people are daft enough to pay stupid money to shoot them that's the only reason.

Supply and demand.

And people like me make it seem so difficult

ft

 

[Monkey Spanker]

Availability mate, nothing more. Muntjac were the same before they became so widespread.


Trouble with stalking a Chinese........


About an hour later, you feel like you need to stalk another!

 

[The Mole]

Your coat, sir?

 

[stone]

Trouble with stalking a Chinese........

You actually stalk water deer...................

could not resist...

supply and demand is the main reason , the other is stupidity

 

[Emdoc]

Availability mate, nothing more. Muntjac were the same before they became so widespread.

Only to the continentals and then they wanted medals heads. Other than that you couldn't give it away. Most of us just shotgunned them on vermin drives. A good many still do if the truth was known.

Its only been since stalkinghas become more popular and blokes are prepared to pay stupid money for any kind of stalking that even poor quality muntjac are making the prices they are now achieving.

 

[Max]

This is the only country in the world you can legally shoot CWD so I guess that would put the price up maybe.

Its a good job for the stalkers who make their living from clients that there are people who are prepared to pay "stupid money" for them and the other species. If they had to rely on ****S like you who shotgunn deer for the fun of it they would soon be out of business.

The sooner your FAC is pulled the better the deer world will be.

A well ****ed off CWD stalker

Max

 

[lee-stroud]

Only to the continentals and then they wanted medals heads. Other than that you couldn't give it away. Most of us just shotgunned them on vermin drives. A good many still do if the truth was known.

Its only been since stalkinghas become more popular and blokes are prepared to pay stupid money for any kind of stalking that even poor quality muntjac are making the prices they are now achieving.

not many people who respect there qurry would even dream of shotgunning them sorry agree with max ere

 

[finnbear270]

Looks like I'm not alone.

 

[Emdoc]

Before you all climb on your high horses and gallop into the battle, please not I posted " Most of us just shotgunned them on vermin drives." as in the the past context not the current. I will add that this was before many of you so keen to start shouting the odds were even capable of holding a rifle let alone shoot one. Those that choose to continue with the practice do so for their own reasons. I'm not one of them.

When I was a lad, many a right and left on fallow, and roe were had, using SSG's and SG's's. All fell dead within a matter of yards, only the passing of the 63 Deer Act brought a stop to such incidences. Was it the right thing to do? At the time no one thought anything of it.

I will add that with a select team of guns that know what they are doing using the right heavy shells you can rack up a very humane tally on walked "driven" muntjac. Is it management? Not in the way some would describe it. Is it population control, most definitely.

 

[JC275]

Before you all climb on your high horses and gallop into the battle, please not I posted " Most of us just shotgunned them on vermin drives." as in the the past context not the current. I will add that this was before many of you so keen to start shouting the odds were even capable of holding a rifle let alone shoot one. Those that choose to continue with the practice do so for their own reasons. I'm not one of them.

When I was a lad, many a right and left on fallow, and roe were had, using SSG's and SG's's. All fell dead within a matter of yards, only the passing of the 63 Deer Act brought a stop to such incidences. Was it the right thing to do? At the time no one thought anything of it.

I will add that with a select team of guns that know what they are doing using the right heavy shells you can rack up a very humane tally on walked "driven" muntjac. Is it management? Not in the way some would describe it. Is it population control, most definitely.

In theory, for someone to have got experience pre-'63 deer act at, say, the age of fifteen to twenty then they would now be around sixty five to seventy. Hopefully with that much life experience under their belt they will have realised by now that shotgunning deer is a bad idea. Of course this is fine in theory, meanwhile, back in the real world, we all know that there are still plenty of wildlife criminals out there so i'm sure the pool of bad experience is deeper and wider even today. JC

 

[AndrewS]

Emdoc did use the past tense - hopefully he no longer does this, nor supports it...

Edit - just read his reply - he doesn't!

 

[Emdoc]

In theory, for someone to have got experience pre-'63 deer act at, say, the age of fifteen to twenty then they would now be around sixty five to seventy. Hopefully with that much life experience under their belt they will have realised by now that shotgunning deer is a bad idea. Of course this is fine in theory, meanwhile, back in the real world, we all know that there are still plenty of wildlife criminals out there so i'm sure the pool of bad experience is deeper and wider even today. JC

The harvesting of deer using shotguns is still widely practices in a number of eastern US states, they even happily use muzzle loaders and bows and arrows. Are you saying they have got it all wrong. I think that there are too many here in the UK who are blinkered to the perfectly acceptable alternatives to the centre fire rifle, simply due to a lack of knowledge and experience, and think that only they know best.

SSG's gives you a 6mm projectile, just the same as a 243 and larger than a .222. At 20m your deer is just as dead. If you can pick up some US shells their #1buckshot is 7.62mm or equivalent to a .308. their 000Buckshot is 9.14mm enough to put a full grown man on his arse and helping him well towards meeting his maker.

 

[Emdoc]

Thank you Andrew. At least someone actually reads what has been posted before deciding to launch into a odds shouting session.

 

[nell]

Might upset some or most to find out that it is perfectly legal in Scandinavia in certain seasons......

Nell

 

[Emdoc]

Thank you I wasn't aware of that fact, I suspect that very few UK based shooter are. So there you go then. If the Americans, Norwegians, Swede and Fin's can do it, it must be OK.

 

[Max]

Before you all climb on your high horses and gallop into the battle, please not I posted " Most of us just shotgunned them on vermin drives." as in the the past context not the current. I will add that this was before many of you so keen to start shouting the odds were even capable of holding a rifle let alone shoot one. Those that choose to continue with the practice do so for their own reasons. I'm not one of them.

When I was a lad, many a right and left on fallow, and roe were had, using SSG's and SG's's. All fell dead within a matter of yards, only the passing of the 63 Deer Act brought a stop to such incidences. Was it the right thing to do? At the time no one thought anything of it.

I will add that with a select team of guns that know what they are doing using the right heavy shells you can rack up a very humane tally on walked "driven" muntjac. Is it management? Not in the way some would describe it. Is it population control, most definitely.

Emdoc

Having read your last two posts and with the benifit of hindsight I owe you an apology for the harshness of my responce to your first post.

Oh for the benifit of hindsight

Regards

Max

 

[Emdoc]

Max

Thank you for the apology. Its appreciated.

With hindsight none of us would ever make mistakes, would never be wrong and would all be lottery winners.

 

[IanF]

Thanks Gents - your responses sum up the difference between this site - & some others I frequent.

Rgds

Ian