Cycle Roundabouts

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FrenchieBoy said:
Surely there are many more and far more important things for the government to spend money on rather than letting the lycra clad loonies take over the roads YES

while they do not pay for road tax, insurance, MOTs or even need to have any sort of a license! SEE BELOW
I doubt if most of the "cyclists" we see racing about and thinking they own the roads have never even heard of the Cycling Proficiency Test.:banghead: AND THE "MOTORISTS" ARE ANY BETTER???
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Cyclists don't need road tax, insurance, MOTs or licences owing to the lack of externalities created by cyclists - respectively - no wear on the roads - and roads generally aren't maintained in a fit state for cycles, no air and water pollution, no colossal costs of damage inflicted, unroadworthy cycles do not kill hundreds of people a year, again cyclists pose little serious risk to others.
 
Apthorpe said:
Comments above in capitals.

Cyclists don't need road tax, insurance, MOTs or licences owing to the lack of externalities created by cyclists - respectively - no wear on the roads - and roads generally aren't maintained in a fit state for cycles, no air and water pollution, no colossal costs of damage inflicted, unroadworthy cycles do not kill hundreds of people a year, again cyclists pose little serious risk to others.
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There is however a major economic cost of congestion where 20 mph zones proliferate, there is a capital cost, car insurances must cover for injury of third parties, I do think cyclists have been involved in a few accidents and there is no cert of competence, so many are arrogant, uncaring and determined to control vehicles by using whole lanes rather than sufficient space. Involved in accidents, sometimes to blame, the cost of treatment, police etc should properly be paid by those who are responsible, if they are at fault ?
 
Apthorpe said:
Comments above in capitals.

Cyclists don't need road tax, insurance, MOTs or licences owing to the lack of externalities created by cyclists - respectively - no wear on the roads - and roads generally aren't maintained in a fit state for cycles, no air and water pollution, no colossal costs of damage inflicted, unroadworthy cycles do not kill hundreds of people a year, again cyclists pose little serious risk to others.
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yeah they dont wear the roads out because there all riding on the bleeding pavements, and now we have got to put up with all these idiot morons on there," look at me im saving the planet"electric scooters, doing 20miles an hour on a pavement, it would be safer walking down the road bs.
 
kes said:
There is however a major economic cost of congestion where 20 mph zones proliferate, there is a capital cost, car insurances must cover for injury of third parties, I do think cyclists have been involved in a few accidents and there is no cert of competence, so many are arrogant, uncaring and determined to control vehicles by using whole lanes rather than sufficient space. Involved in accidents, sometimes to blame, the cost of treatment, police etc should properly be paid by those who are responsible, if they are at fault ?
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20mph zones don't exist because of cyclists. They exist because bureaucrats don't like cars. They are stupid and harmful.
Of course cyclists have accidents. They just cause a lot less harm than cars do.
Bad driving exists equally for both types of road user....probably more by motorists. Arrogant, uncaring Road users are plentiful in cars. This part of the argument is merely reflects recent experience and /or prejudice, and is weaker than your usual output.
Cyclists are on the receiving end of far more accidents for which the motorist doesn't pay than they inflict on others. I don't believe there is some outstanding injustice whereby cyclists need more state regulation.
We don't think that anybody benefits from tighter regulation in other areas of life.
 
bluesako said:
yeah they dont wear the roads out because there all riding on the bleeding pavements, and now we have got to put up with all these idiot morons on there," look at me im saving the planet"electric scooters, doing 20miles an hour on a pavement, it would be safer walking down the road bs.
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Is it more idiotic and moronic to commute to work on a 10kg vehicle producing zero emissions and fitting under your desk or a 2.5tonne "gay builders' truck" or SUV spewing copious pollution, creating congestion, needing parking space etc. They're on the pavement because the government has been too heavily influenced by luddites not to legalise them for road use.
Electric scooters are probably the best invention in urban transport since the shoe. Never used one ....yet.
 
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Apthorpe said:
Grossly misleading and incorrect headline. Surprise surprise from the Express
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have you ever been run over and knocked on your arse, and your dog nearly killed while walking on a pavement, or spat at and told to get out of the way you f*&k*&g old bast&*d, or kicked as they speed past you, well i have and to top it all you report it to the police, and you get a reply there,s not a lot we can do about it typical responce by plod bs.
 
bluesako said:
have you ever been run over and knocked on your arse, and your dog nearly killed while walking on a pavement, or spat at and told to get out of the way you f*&k*&g old bast&*d, or kicked as they speed past you, well i have and to top it all you report it to the police, and you get a reply there,s not a lot we can do about it typical responce by plod bs.
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Yes. Frequently. Motorists do it to cyclists a lot. And knocked off a few times by idiot pedestrians too. The police are useless in those cases too.
 
Apthorpe said:
Is it more idiotic and moronic to commute to work on a 10kg vehicle producing zero emissions and fitting under your desk or a 2.5tonne "gay builders' truck" or SUV spewing copious pollution, creating congestion, needing parking space etc. They're on the pavement because the government has been too heavily influenced by luddites not to legalise them for road use.
Electric scooters are probably the best invention in urban transport since the shoe. Never used one ....yet.
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its illegal to ride an e scooter on the public highway or pavement or any public place, and ive never been knocked over by a 2.5 tonne gay builers truck or suv on the pavement or footpath, and are you saying that all the people on here who use trucks or suv,s for there shooting activities, are "GAY" and the e scooters are not used to commute to work, because they are illegal, there used by scroat druggies peddling there whares, so you go get one matey, but dont come near me bs.
 
Apthorpe said:
Yes. Frequently. Motorists do it to cyclists a lot. And knocked off a few times by idiot pedestrians too. The police are useless in those cases too.
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ive never seen a cyclist run over by a motorist on a pavement or footpath, ive seen an idiot cyclist crash into a van because the the cyclist ran a red light on red at a busy junction, and you say you have been knocked of your cycle by a pedestrian, and was you riding on a pavement when said pedestrian knocked you off, well if you got knocked off while riding your cycle on a pavement you bleeding well deserve it you moron bs.
 
bluesako said:
ive never seen a cyclist run over by a motorist on a pavement or footpath, ive seen an idiot cyclist crash into a van because the the cyclist ran a red light on red at a busy junction, and you say you have been knocked of your cycle by a pedestrian, and was you riding on a pavement when said pedestrian knocked you off, well if you got knocked off while riding your cycle on a pavement you bleeding well deserve it you moron bs.
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Very charitable.
 
Apthorpe said:
20mph zones don't exist because of cyclists. They exist because bureaucrats don't like cars. They are stupid and harmful.
Of course cyclists have accidents. They just cause a lot less harm than cars do.
Bad driving exists equally for both types of road user....probably more by motorists. Arrogant, uncaring Road users are plentiful in cars. This part of the argument is merely reflects recent experience and /or prejudice, and is weaker than your usual output.
Cyclists are on the receiving end of far more accidents for which the motorist doesn't pay than they inflict on others. I don't believe there is some outstanding injustice whereby cyclists need more state regulation.
We don't think that anybody benefits from tighter regulation in other areas of life.
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No its not recent experience or prejudice - I am or was before I retired, a chartered civil engineer specialising in Traffic and Transport. So my experience is extensive, detailed and though I suggest it myself, accurate.
 
bluesako said:
,say you have been knocked of your cycle by a pedestrian, and was you riding on a pavement when said pedestrian knocked you off, well if you got knocked off while riding your cycle on a pavement you bleeding well deserve it you moron bs.
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My experience of being knocked off my bike by pedestrians is that they launch themselves without warning (or looking) onto either the carriageway or, ironically, a cycle-path. Doesn't happen often, though - as with motorists, and when driving myself, I try by keeping my wits about me and by behaving well on the road, to avoid such events.
 
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kes said:
No its not recent experience or prejudice - I am or was before I retired, a chartered civil engineer specialising in Traffic and Transport. So my experience is extensive, detailed and though I suggest it myself, accurate.
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Aaahhh! So you're the bloody problem!!! :)
 
Why are they spending all those money for cyclists i don't know...
It appears that they like more trespassing and ruining peoples afternoon than using the cycle lanes...

I had this lot popping out in front of my highseat the other day, but wasn't sure if the game dealer will take them...

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