Deer Doomsday
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HonestJohn
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Deer numbers in areas that can be managed are in check. Deer numbers in areas such as urban where it’s next to motorways or residential buildings are hard to manage and will always be an issue. You then have wealthy farmers in huge swathes around places like Oxford where they either don’t want someone shooting over their land, or let someone stalk once a month,,not fixing deer numbers. And you have landowners who are into horses, who generally want nothing to do with stalkers - and their deer numbers are IMHO explosive. You then have wealthy landowners who have expensive driven days for pheasants and let the 3rd party shoot manager take the odd client out for deer, but they will only do the big bucks for the high paying fees and not worry about density or population demographics.
So, in my view, if landowners started working closer with stalkers and not asking silly rents, the issue will resolve itself - whereas now, focus on reducing numbers is mis allocated - ie. If there are 2m deer and 1m are in Scotland . Scotland does not have a deer problem, but shoot 750,000 deer and then the national problem is solved?
or are there just no deer left in Scotland and the same old problem exists in England with Muntjac and Fallow?
So, in my view, if landowners started working closer with stalkers and not asking silly rents, the issue will resolve itself - whereas now, focus on reducing numbers is mis allocated - ie. If there are 2m deer and 1m are in Scotland . Scotland does not have a deer problem, but shoot 750,000 deer and then the national problem is solved?
or are there just no deer left in Scotland and the same old problem exists in England with Muntjac and Fallow?
deerstalker.308
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Like many other businesses FE are very short on resources currently (not sure how FLS are on that front, but that and a change of government imminent I wouldn’t expect any grand plans to be set in stone for now.
Fix the pot holes first........
Basic figure off the net.
Get a grip Dave.
Shortly after Wilson published his estimate, a team of biologists, led by York University biologist Piran White, presented their data in the Economic Impacts of Wild Deer in the East of England. In their report, the biologists estimated that deer cost the economy of eastern England between £7 million and in excess of £10 million per year; around £3.2m (US$5m or €3.6m) of this represents damage to agriculture in the region and most of this to cereals.
Cost of keeping people per day in hotels
In March the BBC learned around 400 hotels were being used, costing nearly £7m a day.
The Home Office's Annual Accounts, published on Tuesday,, external promised to "take action to address the unacceptable costs of housing migrants in hotels which is costing the taxpayer around £8m a day"
Does anyone remember this conference in 2003?
It covered all the same stuff we're talking about now - landscape scale management, training, public perception, venison quality assurance etc.
21 years later and what actual progress has been made?
It covered all the same stuff we're talking about now - landscape scale management, training, public perception, venison quality assurance etc.
21 years later and what actual progress has been made?
devon deer stalker
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I watched a 'deer stalking personality' on Youtube last week with 4 other 'friends', 'we are managing the deer today 2 hours north of where I live', really? 'we get up here and cull half a dozen times per year', the place was pickled in Fallow, I would call that mismanagement. It doesn't help things.
Cranhill
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Is that like FC managing the Wild Boar in FOD?
Nickb
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Yep I watched it , the famous chef.
Another example of folks having ground they cant manage , needs to be local stalkers to make any difference.
timbrayford
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Personally I'd take any utterance on deer from Natural England and Keith Kirby in particular with a pinch of salt and a large one at that!
Home Loader
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I don't dis agree they need to be local stalkers, but I'm sure we all probably know of self proclaimed deer managers locally who realistically only shoot one for the pot and then only if the winds right for their favourite highseat and rain isn't forcast for 5 days, they harbour just as many deer as these celebrities or big names in the stalking world.
David Barker
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Tim the figures are quoted by both government departments i would say they are way short. My opinion is if they are going to follow FLS they will need a game dealer to take all there deer for almost nothing and make sure they are ready for a massive in crease in deer lol. Since FES started heavy contracting and got SNH to change the laws to suit heaving indirect slaughter numbers up here have increased by over 30%.
Really? Surely effective cullers from away are better than ineffective stalkers that are local? Why is there a problem on the ground if the local stalkers are so effective? From what I saw he had just taken on the ground and had plans to reduce numbers significantly next year, a bit hard to judge him by the numbers on ground he has only just taken on
You miss the point as 8m a day is what deer do in a year, which only has a small knock on, we are just a tiny dot in this nation and the 8m a day in my opinion is much more of a concern. Take your rose tinted glasses off
baguio
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Do you really believe that? If so, I think you need to get off your puter and into the real world!
HonestJohn
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In Scotland they are, maybe not down your way - maybe get out stalking more if you do t think they are ?
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