Denmark will be the first country in the world to go lead free for hunting ammunition

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BryanDC

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It has just been announced that lead ammunition will be phased out in Denmark sometime in the middle of 2023. The ban will apply to all centrefire ammunition used for hunting. Lead ammunition will still be legal to use on ranges and it sounds like lead ammunition for rimfire will still be allowed.
We have rules on minimum energy here and the current rules mean that some calibres would be obsolete for anything other than Roe, but during the phasing out period they will look at the minimum energy requirements and hopefully adjust some of them to compensate for lead free ammunition
 
BryanDC said:
We have rules on minimum energy here and the current rules mean that some calibres would be obsolete for anything other than Roe, but during the phasing out period they will look at the minimum energy requirements and hopefully adjust some of them to compensate for lead free ammunition
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I certainly hope they don’t adjust the rules , the lead free zealots want this let’s see how keen they are when they have to buy a new rifle or 3
 
Roestalker39 said:
I certainly hope they don’t adjust the rules , the lead free zealots want this let’s see how keen they are when they have to buy a new rifle or 3
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The people already using lead are going to be legal the people who will be adversely affected are those using lead now. Much the same as those using a 243 in Scotland currently could be affected by a lead ban. Someone already using a 6.5 or 308 with copper bullets won't care if a lead ban comes in.

Adjusting the rules will only help those who haven't changed already and while some hunters are on board with the ban it's mainly driven by other agencies and the wider public, not hunters.
 
nun_hunter said:
The people already using lead are going to be legal the people who will be adversely affected are those using lead now. Much the same as those using a 243 in Scotland currently could be affected by a lead ban. Someone already using a 6.5 or 308 with copper bullets won't care if a lead ban comes in.

Adjusting the rules will only help those who haven't changed already and while some hunters are on board with the ban it's mainly driven by other agencies and the wider public, not hunters.
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Won’t matter to me bud I’ll be using lead
 
Roestalker39 said:
I certainly hope they don’t adjust the rules , the lead free zealots want this let’s see how keen they are when they have to buy a new rifle or 3
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Yet again a completely nonsensical reply. If the rules on minimum energy are not changed then who is going to be punished by that? The average hunter. so what will they do then. They have also said that they will be addressing the minimum energy requirements so that calibres such as the 6.5x55 can still be used with lead free ammunition. This is also not a proposal. Other than the actual date it is happening.

Like it or not this is something that is going to happen, not just here in Denmark but the rest of Europe. I would be very very surprised if the UK does not follow suit especially with Mrs Bojo in charge. By all means keep using lead as long as you want and as long as it is legal to do so. But if you cannot see the writing on the wall then you maybe need an eye test.
 
nun_hunter said:
Likewise up until it becomes law or too much faff not to.
BryanDC said:
Yet again a completely nonsensical reply. If the rules on minimum energy are not changed then who is going to be punished by that? The average hunter. so what will they do then. They have also said that they will be addressing the minimum energy requirements so that calibres such as the 6.5x55 can still be used with lead free ammunition. This is also not a proposal. Other than the actual date it is happening.

Like it or not this is something that is going to happen, not just here in Denmark but the rest of Europe. I would be very very surprised if the UK does not follow suit especially with Mrs Bojo in charge. By all means keep using lead as long as you want and as long as it is legal to do so. But if you cannot see the writing on the wall then you maybe need an eye test.
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As I say it won’t matter to me I’ll be using lead buddy
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BryanDC said:
Yet again a completely nonsensical reply. If the rules on minimum energy are not changed then who is going to be punished by that? The average hunter. so what will they do then. They have also said that they will be addressing the minimum energy requirements so that calibres such as the 6.5x55 can still be used with lead free ammunition. This is also not a proposal. Other than the actual date it is happening.

Like it or not this is something that is going to happen, not just here in Denmark but the rest of Europe. I would be very very surprised if the UK does not follow suit especially with Mrs Bojo in charge. By all means keep using lead as long as you want and as long as it is legal to do so. But if you cannot see the writing on the wall then you maybe need an eye test.
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I don't understand why anyone would think that rules on minimum energy would be relaxed. The rules exist for the purpose of animal welfare. They may be set at an unnecessarily high level, but nobody is conceivably going to change rules in such a way that they will be accused of endangering animal welfare.

It does seem rather odd for the Danish government to ban lead ammunition with one hand while they're directly investing in developing lead mining in....er... the pristine Arctic environment in Greenland. Does nobody have the nous to hold f*ckwit, virtue-signalling, greeny, governments to account?
 
Apthorpe said:
I don't understand why anyone would think that rules on minimum energy would be relaxed. The rules exist for the purpose of animal welfare. They may be set at an unnecessarily high level, but nobody is conceivably going to change rules in such a way that they will be accused of endangering animal welfare.

It does seem rather odd for the Danish government to ban lead ammunition with one hand while they're directly investing in developing lead mining in....er... the pristine Arctic environment in Greenland. Does nobody have the nous to hold f*ckwit, virtue-signalling, greeny, governments to account?
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No no no animal welfare comes far behind virtue signalling in the order of things ......
 
Apthorpe said:
I don't understand why anyone would think that rules on minimum energy would be relaxed. The rules exist for the purpose of animal welfare. They may be set at an unnecessarily high level, but nobody is conceivably going to change rules in such a way that they will be accused of endangering animal welfare.

It does seem rather odd for the Danish government to ban lead ammunition with one hand while they're directly investing in developing lead mining in....er... the pristine Arctic environment in Greenland. Does nobody have the nous to hold f*ckwit, virtue-signalling, greeny, governments to account?
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Non lead bullets don't fragment so have a slightly different mechanism of killing, much the same as bows don't need to have the same energy to achieve a clean kill. If minimum energy requirements are there and necessary for animal welfare then all those north of the border shooting roe with weedy little insufficient 22cf rifles are clearly savages🙄🙄
 
Some context of a historical nature:

Until the Law in Scotland changed in the 1980's, many many roe and a fair number of other species were lawfully and humanely killed using the humble .22lr. Apparently the deer didn't read up on the energy requirements set out.

Of course since those days the physiology of deer may have changed, much in the way it did across Europe when the shotgun shooting of deer was banned, with the exceptions down through the years of er, the roe deer of most of the Scandic nations...
 
Apthorpe said:
I don't understand why anyone would think that rules on minimum energy would be relaxed. The rules exist for the purpose of animal welfare. They may be set at an unnecessarily high level, but nobody is conceivably going to change rules in such a way that they will be accused of endangering animal welfare.

It does seem rather odd for the Danish government to ban lead ammunition with one hand while they're directly investing in developing lead mining in....er... the pristine Arctic environment in Greenland. Does nobody have the nous to hold f*ckwit, virtue-signalling, greeny, governments to account?
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They have already said that they will look at the rules on minimum energy. Like the rest of scandinavia they are on the conservative side. I think there was a post from "@Border saying the Norwegians were also looking at the minimum energy requirements to take account of modern advances in ammunition and lead free options. It doesn't affect me but there are a lot of 6.5x55s out there. I think they will reduce it just enough to allow them to be used with lead free ammo.
 
BryanDC said:
They have already said that they will look at the rules on minimum energy. Like the rest of scandinavia they are on the conservative side. I think there was a post from "@Border saying the Norwegians were also looking at the minimum energy requirements to take account of modern advances in ammunition and lead free options. It doesn't affect me but there are a lot of 6.5x55s out there. I think they will reduce it just enough to allow them to be used with lead free ammo.
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So what we’re saying is the minimum energy laws really mean nothing and can be twisted to suit this agenda ...... frankly I find that shameful
 
BryanDC said:
They have already said that they will look at the rules on minimum energy. Like the rest of scandinavia they are on the conservative side. I think there was a post from "@Border saying the Norwegians were also looking at the minimum energy requirements to take account of modern advances in ammunition and lead free options. It doesn't affect me but there are a lot of 6.5x55s out there. I think they will reduce it just enough to allow them to be used with lead free ammo.
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So you think that a government which is prepared to ban lead ammunition because it disperses less than 2 tonnes per year of lead into the environment, is going to be seen to water down an animal welfare law? Get real.

How did the Danish government justify its simultaneous investment in lead mining with the ammunition measure? 2 tonnes of lead per annum spread across Denmark is bad for the environment but large-scale heavy metal mining in the Arctic is good? Arseh0les!
 
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