Digital Scopes and Thermal for Deer Stalking

Tulloch

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Over the years I have been a great advocate for digital day and nightvision but I have never claimed that it was better than day glass for deer stalking in fact I have pretty much been against standalone thermal for stalking deer for a number of reasons.

1. Species ID and Sex ID, condition and age ID is almost impossible even with high end thermal.

2 Thermal bleed in thermal often doesn't show what's in front of the deer making it hard to see if it's a safe sot or not. Often thermal gives you a false sense of confidence

3 With Thermal people will shoot in conditions they wouldn't normally such as in fog etc. And that might not be safe.

4. Even high end thermal struggles with environmentals and detection of safe back stops etc.


So that just a few of the downsides of thermal as a standalone scope but the technology has come along way but many of these concerns still exist.

Digital day vision in colour etc has also come a long way, better battery life, lighter units and 4k technology for example has made it more accessible for the stalking market, along with the law being changed in Nov 23. Stalkers can now record their shooting, document their misses and learn real time what went wrong and also keep a video of the deer they shot when they had their successes.

That's all well and good but has digital come enough of a way to surpass clear glass, the long and short of it is that in some ways it has and others it hasn't.

Most digital Scopes come with laser rangefinders and built in bullet drop calculators now, so to that respect it has surpassed the use of day scopes. Ok, you say but we have that in the Burris Eliminators, Burniston XTR, the Swarovski DS, yes you do, but, look at the price of those compared to your average day/night vision scope, and there's another benefit of digital, you have done with a day's stalking and you now wanna go foxing after dark, just clamp an IR torch on, switch to nightvision and away you go.
Now in this respect to day glass the digital Scopes are in someways a game changer, yes no need for to carry extra kit like a rangefinder etc, but, you cannot beat the reliability of day glass, the clarity daytime with day glass and the experience of day glass, well not yet that is.

With the new range of 4k scopes coming out many stalkers are gonna be suckered into throwing money into this new tech, and they should but only if it meets the needs of you.

I have heard the phrase "Game Changer" thrown about a lot these days and I have used it a couple of times myself, but, that phrase hasn't been used properly.

There is a big hype over this new Hik Micro Alpex 4K Lite scope and how this is a game changer. It's not ! and for guys on here it is not a stalking scope or a centrefire one, please don't think it is. The eye relief needed to see the screen properly is too close for a CF rifle even a light recoil one. Even Hik say it's for airgun and rimfire ONLY.

It is a good scope for £650 compared to the tech that was available 3 years ago, but there is better and cheaper on the market that you can use for deer stalking on a centrefire.

On a couple of recent videos I have done you will get a good idea of what to expect from a digital day scope.

Here is one

In that video I have been as honest as I possibly can . Also check out the Sika stalk one too.

As stalkers we are always held to a higher standard when it comes to personal ethics and morality, and rightly so. We have all been forced into a world of deer management, not just as a recreational sport but as an obligation, and because of this everyone of us find ourselves having to shoot more deer than we would normally do and for some it is more deer than what they would like.

Due to this we find ourselves in a world where we are looking to move away from traditional glass and stalk. The need for shorter stalks and long range shooting has become the norm, we are looking to push that extra hour in the morning and night to the max, and in doing so we are asking for the equipment to help. Thermal spotters in the pocket are normal now, before it was just us commercial forest managers that used them, digital Scopes with Night vision tech, even thermal Scopes are becoming a common sight on a recreational stalkers rifle these days.

The game is changing, the tech is NOT game changing.

But hey check out my videos, makes you think about what the future is .

ATB

DT
 
Digital tech is an effective tool for getting a job done and gives you all the advantages you mention. I do prefer good old glass optics though ...but if I need to take advantage of those extra 15 mins dawn and dusk...has to be the NV 👍
 
If you are in the if it’s brown it’s down camp purely numbers game then NV and Thermal scopes, all day long.
If you are in the deer husbandry camp culling for the health and welfare of the beasts and maintaining a sustainable heard then there is no substitute for good glass to access condition ect and the light use of a thermal spotter when needed.
 
I am anti digital and thermal to the point I have now banned my clients from using both, you can’t identify it doesn’t get shot!

In my opinion good glass and the skill in using it is irreplaceable!
Good glass will never be bettered especially in the form of binoculars. There also another essential tool in selective deer management.
 

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Good glass will never be bettered especially in the form of binoculars. There also another essential tool in selective deer management.
Absolutely 💯% agree new stalkers in my opinion are missing out on the pleasure of sitting spying and taking in the full experience, but NV and thermal do have a place, I only use them when I need to.
 
Been in the job too long and seen too many balls ups to be impressed.

Spotting a deer and stalking it the shooting it at under 50 yds is impressive 👌

A skill that is missing these days unfortunately
Some one that's been in the job for any decent length of time will realise. That chances like that don't come along all that often.
Especially managing the large pressurised groups of the hearding species.
It's about maximising your chances. So if a digital scope helps you put more on the floor in low light conditions then surley that's more beneficial 🤔
 
Some one that's been in the job for any decent length of time will realise. That chances like that don't come along all that often.
Especially managing the large pressurised groups of the hearding species.
It's about maximising your chances. So if a digital scope helps you put more on the floor in low light conditions then surley that's more beneficial 🤔
luckily for me I’m not under the pressure anymore, the land owners I am stalking for these days have a much more laid back approach, I gave my red deer stalking away because it was too much effort for return and the older I get the less hungry I am to chase the numbers, but like I say each to their own.
 
luckily for me I’m not under the pressure anymore, the land owners I am stalking for these days have a much more laid back approach, I gave my red deer stalking away because it was too much effort for return and the older I get the less hungry I am to chase the numbers, but like I say each to their own.
I understand me ole flower. Cracks eventually appear in any man.
But I wouldn't see it or call it a weakness. Just carry on regardless and do your own thing.
Keep stacking them up..👍
 
I know of people who have went off thermal and digital to reconnect with the hunting and even blanking aspect of deer stalking.

Digital scopes are really good for deer culling but definitely have limitations and 100% reduce the enjoyment of the stalk.

I would agree, to an extent. I don’t think they make it easy but they certainly slide the advantage more towards the stalker, but there is still plenty to get right before there is a carcass chilling...

It’s simple, have a rifle dedicated to being a cull tool, where various grants and landowner pressure necessitate a reduction cull…and have a rifle you take out when you want to stalk in a traditional sporting sense-land where it’s ’the odd one for the pot’. We then get to justify more rifles 😁.

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I am with @Norfolk Deer Search. If you can’t find shootable deer with the naked eye, or a decent pair of binoculars you are either

1) blind
2) lacking the skills and knowledge to find deer
3) too impatient to find deer

If its too dark to see a deer with good glass its too dark to take a safe shot.

It takes time to learn how to spot wildlife. It’s a skill that you need to learn. With a digital optic you will never learn this essential skill.

It takes time a practice. Best is just to be patient and from one spot pick apart the landscape in front of you. Don’t look for deer, look for the flick of an ear or a tail. If you can’t see anything wait a five minutes and then scan again. Chances are deer will have moved.

And then move and repeat.

Always be on the lookout for sign of deer - hoof prints, trails, lying up spots,rubbings etc. Put these in the memory bank. They tell you where deer like to be. Next time look in these spots before you blunder into them.

If you don’t have your own ground, there are plenty of publicly accessible nature reserves etc etc. just take a pair of binoculars and go catch and release stalking.

Digital Optics Manufacturers are spending a huge amount of money on promoting their products. You can easily send £2 or £3,000 on digital kit that will be out of date and obsolete with a few weeks.

£3,000 at £100 an outing buys an awful lot of guided stalking where you will learn far more than any digital optic will teach you.
 
I would agree, to an extent. I don’t think they make it easy but they certainly slide the advantage more towards the stalker, but there is still plenty to get right before there is a carcass chilling...

It’s simple, have a rifle dedicated to being a cull tool, where various grants and landowner pressure necessitate a reduction cull…and have a rifle you take out when you want to stalk in a traditional sporting sense-land where it’s ’the odd one for the pot’. We then get to justify more rifles 😁.

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I have a similar set up

A work tool and a go for a wander tool
 
Digital nv, thermal scope or spotter or good ole binoculars or a glass scope .

Doesnt matter what you use ..if you see it you can shoot it ...or not ...you can see it and make a call to walk away an other day....
How many of us have dropped a beast at last light and hours later in total darkness head torch batteries on 2nd set, nearly broken your ankles 4x and have you thought
" wtf did I pull trigger on that for !?"

Paul.
 
I appreciate we are talking mainly about scopes, but those who disagree with their use - do you disagree with thermal spotters as well?

If its purely for the experience and you have no pressure both on time or the need to shoot deer then fair enough, your choice. Lots of us have time pressure so why not use some of the modern tools available to make life easier?

Also we are making lots of general assumptions ...species, area etc all play a major part.

Dont get me wrong..I love a nice stalk in to 100 yards on a roe...some areas I shoot fallow you are lucky to be able to get within 250 yards of them before you have been spotted....just saying that its never black and white (unless you are using old NV) :)
 
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