Good for you, I’m sure you’d also like to be able to use bows, catapults and spears still too?
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Would be good fun to be fair - don't knock it until you've tried it. Seen videos of pig hunting with dogs - some skill needed and sharp reflexes.Good for you, I’m sure you’d also like to be able to use bows, catapults and spears still too?
I'd have to disagree with you on that point, how many target or competition shooters who handed their pistols in used them for HDIf it was the safest method (small pistol) then it would be a standard across the board but it is not "A Standard" also more paperwork and all the other aspects connected. Most have not got over handing in their (pistols)Next you will want a crossbow as it is silent lol
Rake Aboot
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Field sports are field sportsGood for you, I’m sure you’d also like to be able to use bows, catapults and spears still too?
You’re either for them or against them I suppose
you are welcome, as I said "if" it was a std then then a lot would have them, but tbh I feel it would be a want more than a need.
but those days are gone so if they were offered I would not want or have needed one in my 50 years of shooting.
Many years ago a dog was run over 2 houses up, a police man cam out with his issued pistol to put it down, Dad had a blanket over the dog, pulled it back and moved out the way. The officer was shaking so much and put the pistol down, then asked Dad to shoot it so he did. Wrong yes but no good being trained and not doing what is needed.
tackb
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agreed !
but what we see most is people happy to throw 'other' fieldsports or shooting disciplines under the bus because it doesn't affect them , i guess hoping the crocodile eats them last !
Brave Echo Niner
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Regardless of what you count as ‘sport’, being humane is always at the forefront. Causing unnecessary suffering when there is a more humane way to kill an animal is unacceptable.
That’s why I support Bows, Spears, Dogs etc being banned for killing animals.
You can say it’s me being against fieldsports, but in reality it’s just being mindful of ethics and utilising humane practices.
Spot on,
tackb
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so you would not recommend changing to an inferior projectile material ?
no pistols yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeha
Rake Aboot
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Or just being anti fieldsports.
Brave Echo Niner
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If you’re referring to copper, in my experience it kills just as well if not better than the lead I’ve used.
148TLR out of a .300 WSM makes everything drop on the spot from my experience.
150 TTSX with .300 WSM the same.
130 TTSX in .308 the furthest I’ve had one go is 15M.
I had further runners and more mess when using lead, hence I use copper by choice!
Ben
tackb
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not really what i asked
would you agree that ballistically copper or steel when talking scattergun loads is ballistically inferior to lead ? i will assume you do since it's a scientific fact.
so with your concern about being humane surely changing to an inferior material would be the last thing you would consider?
i'm really not bothered in hearing what bullets you use or the calibre
gelert
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I agree that humane practices are essential, but the tool alone doesn’t determine whether hunting is ethical. Skill, training, and the context in which a tool is used matter just as much. Banning bows, spears, or hunting with dogs assumes these methods are automatically cruel, when in reality they can be just as humane and sometimes even more humane than firearms when used responsibly.
Supporting humane hunting doesn’t have to mean getting rid of methods we personally don’t prefer. It can also mean making sure those methods are used competently and ethically, instead of assuming they’re unethical by default.
Brave Echo Niner
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My understanding is in shotguns (although I know very little about shotgun ballistics admittedly) Tungsten Matrix and Bismuth perform just as well if not better than lead.
Sheamus
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I could with out doubt humanely kill a mature Red Stag out to 45 yards with this set up.
If it were legal of course.
Like Gelert mentions its how the tool to end life is used.
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gelert
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I've taken a stag at 17yrds (not in this country).They look like the dangerous game shafts? nice
Sheamus
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Thing is the majority of guys on this Deer Stalking forum are shooters (gun enthusiasts).
Nothing more and nothing less.
They've probably never hunted any other way. Or more precisely never had too. If there guns were removed from there possession they would either turn to the supermarkets or turn vegan
They have never seen a dog pining a Deer. Or a terrier holding a fox in a stop end.
Probably never been to a Coursing meet either??
Those dangerous shafts you refer to are Easton Axis full metal Jacket 400 spine. With a 100g Muzzy Broad head that I practice with.
Its the kind of thing that Sowflake Eco boy dislikes
The principal is the same, just the speed differs
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